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Old 05-22-2012, 06:38 AM
 
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It is not a choice or a complaint. It is an effort to improve the work/life balance. What I am saying is to do this:

FULL TIME = 30 hrs a week.

PART TIME = 15 hrs a week.

anything else is choice.

Why are so many folks so arrogant and unwilling to listen to new ideas?
It's not a new idea. Getting a 40 hour work week was a hard fought battle won by past generations of workers.
It's not possible to find a job that includes benefits on 30 hours. Four ten hour days is optimum and leaves three ten hour days for those who want part time work.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:40 AM
 
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remember when a 40 hour work week bought all the necessities AND money for saving!!
Yes, and just one pay check with a parent at home to actually raise children. It was a better time.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:42 AM
 
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It is not a choice or a complaint. It is an effort to improve the work/life balance. What I am saying is to do this:

FULL TIME = 30 hrs a week.

PART TIME = 15 hrs a week.

anything else is choice.

Why are so many folks so arrogant and unwilling to listen to new ideas?
and you expect your employer to pay you the same salary for 25% less work?

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Old 05-22-2012, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Yes, and just one pay check with a parent at home to actually raise children. It was a better time.
It was also a time when people had a real grasp of the difference between needs and wants.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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The Ideal American Worker works himself to death. Die instead of retiring.
Work, work, work, work...for those little stress ailments, take pills. Eventually, the body and mind will feel the effects. Yes, you'll have stuff, but won't be able to enjoy it. However, eternal bliss awaits in the afterlife.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:51 AM
 
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Many of us workers in america tend to work 40+ and even 50/60 hour weeks and for what? Why do all that work just to enjoy 1-2 days off per week and for most of us that means to be stuck in traffic or waiting in long lines if we get the weekends off. The quality of life in america is off balance.

What is the point of working so many hours? Some of us are paid salary and for the ones that work 40+ on the hourly basis, they get taxed more! So it doesnt make sense money wise and free time wise.

Why cant americans simply adopt a 30 hour work week and have more time off to enjoy life? Why cant we be like europe?
What is stopping you from creating your own business and implementing this type of work schedule or is it that you expect the business owners to work the long hours in order to provide this?

Nobody is stopping you from achieving what you desire. Get to it! Or, if you are such a fan of Europe, move there and get what you want.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:55 AM
 
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What is stopping you from creating your own business and implementing this type of work schedule or is it that you expect the business owners to work the long hours in order to provide this?

Nobody is stopping you from achieving what you desire. Get to it! Or, if you are such a fan of Europe, move there and get what you want.
Exactly. This just exposes the leftist mentality....that they want "someone" to "do something" rather than taking it upon themselves.

The inevitable response will be that it's not possible to start one's own business because the corporate-fascist-military-industrial-complex has set the rules so that it's not possible to be competitive unless the government decrees the 30 hour week to be the max for full time, thus "leveling the playing field.
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Old 05-22-2012, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Completely agree 30hr work week should more often be adopted. not just for quality of life for the worker, but to avoid layoffs. If a company has 1000 workers and need to lay off 250, they rather could cut hours by 25% like u suggest and lay off no one. Much more humane in my opinion and I would be far from surprised if productivity went up. I bet it would increase consumer confidence as well because fearing your hours being cut vs losing your job is much less intimidating.

In Germany I believe the government supported such policies as reduced hours and/or across the board pay cuts at corporations to avoid lay offs at the beginning of the 2008 financial crisis.



At any point in time when economic pressure requires it - it might make sense to cut hours and not cut people.

But what do you do when a a company has 1000 people working 30 hrs/wk and their business is bad? Cut to 20 hrs/wk and keep paying benefits? Starts to sound more and more like Cuba.
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Old 05-22-2012, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I actually think people should get to work as much or as little as they want to.

But if they choose not to work as much, I don't want to hear any whining about how they can't afford stuff, don't have health care, blah blah blah blah blah.

Don't try to drag everyone else down with you so that you can have the perks of a 60 hour work week while only working 30.
Exactly.
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Old 05-22-2012, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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The vast majority of Americans live to work; they don't have lives.
What would most do with more free time? Watch stupid TV? Get drunk? Bore themselves?
The concept of working to death is just another reason why you shouldn't listen to Americans if they advise on how to enjoy life.
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