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Old 05-30-2012, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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Maybe Bill will expose the stupidity of those who call Romney an extremist next. I doubt it.
That's the problem. Most people don't consider Romney extremest. They consider him a center right flip flopper and he is.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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Here Obama essentially laments that the Warren Court "wasn't that radical."

Obama's "Redistributive Justice:" 2001 NPR interview - YouTube

But really 'radical' is a relative, subjective term. When Reagan was around he was routinely called "ultra conservative," "extremist," "hard right," etc. Now Democrats routinely try to portray him as a moderate who would be thrown out of today's GOP. I think Obama does have some radical views, but at the same time he is smart enough and enough of a politician to sublimate them when he needs to.
At the time Reagan was president he was radical. In today’s time the normal or average conservative is to the right of where he was. Reagan had terrible policies and the ideas of today’s GOP leaders are even worse.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:30 PM
 
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It takes a comedian to point out the disregard for logic the right wing nut jobs have.

I see Obama more as a do nothing President, which by definition means he is NOT a radical President.


Bill Maher: I Am So Unhappy With Obama ( New Rules ) - YouTube
I'll agree with you that obama is a do nothing president....but when you bring bill maher into the discussion, all I see is a disgusting moron who is supported and encouraged by the left wingtards and who wouldn't be missed by the majority if he were to disappear.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:32 PM
 
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At the time Reagan was president he was radical. In today’s time the normal or average conservative is to the right of where he was. Reagan had terrible policies and the ideas of today’s GOP leaders are even worse.
Such as? Give some examples.

And just to be clear...you agree with the radical policy of obama spending this country into oblivion? Good job.


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Old 05-30-2012, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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Such as? Give some examples.

And just to be clear...you agree with the radical policy of obama spending this country into oblivion? Good job.


An example of Reagan’s radical policies:
“By reducing or eliminating decades-long social programs and significantly increasing defense spending, while at the same time lowering taxes, Reagan's approach to handling the economy marked a significant departure from that of his predecessors”

An example of the current GOP flocks radical policies:
Balancing the budget with spending cuts and major slashes to entitlement spending (during a recession). Obstructionism to the point of paralyzing government.

I don’t believe in “spending this country into oblivion”, but I do believe in economic stimulus.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:54 PM
 
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I dunno about one's definition of radical, be it left radical or right radical. But, for sure the common campaign theme of Obama's 2008 campaign, Hope and Change, was about "Fundamentally Transforming the United States of America". There is plenty of youtube video of Obama speeches that preached that line pretty definitively.

Appointments and agenda - green energy (with failed ventures, $$$ to foreign companies like Fisker) in place of petro economy (drilling moratoriums/embargos/no new permitting), union bailouts (GM and Chrysler) in which thousands of non-union employees lost their jobs with the of forceable closing of dealerships, the loss of non-union jobs at GM and Chrysler, not to mention the abrogation of private bond holders' investment agreements seems pretty radical government intervention to this observer.

Even the stimulus was by and large directed to 'saving' public union jobs. After the one-time avoidance of job losses in that sector, the anemic economy's low tax generation has come home to roost, as local school systems, and municipalities have, over the past two years, had to cut jobs anyway.

"Fundamentally Transforming the United States of America" I think we'd all agree that if a Republican candidate said she was going to fundamentally transform America and enumerated a nationwide right to work law, stopped all green initiatives in favor 100% carbon, rolled back all EPA regulations, that that would be deemed radical.

Regardless as to how you choose to dissemble this, fundamental transformation is radical.
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Old 05-30-2012, 05:18 PM
 
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An example of Reagan’s radical policies:
“By reducing or eliminating decades-long social programs and significantly increasing defense spending, while at the same time lowering taxes, Reagan's approach to handling the economy marked a significant departure from that of his predecessors”

An example of the current GOP flocks radical policies:
Balancing the budget with spending cuts and major slashes to entitlement spending (during a recession). Obstructionism to the point of paralyzing government.

I don’t believe in “spending this country into oblivion”, but I do believe in economic stimulus.
If you believe in economic stimulus, gthen you also believe in spending this country into oblivion.

Regarding Reagan....he turned around a complete disaster that was the Carter administration. I don't recall anyone being hurt by his policies....if anything he was the answer to a prayer...the right man for the job at the right time. The antidote for that IDIOT carter and his clueless policies...and this current administration and it's direction remind me of that clown so much.

As for the current GOP proposing a balanced budget? That isn't until 2017....and YES..there will have to be cuts made. It's insane to continue this kind of spending...especially for entitlement programs. Half of the people on SS disability could work if they wanted to....and THAT is what denies benefits to those who truly need them!! And this dope in the white house wants illegal immigrants to be on Social Security too!!

The democrats have NO ANSWERS...in fact, they haven't even bothered to submit a budget for over 3 years. That way they don't have to answer for anything. But the republicans are at least putting something out there as a starting point, and making it available for the public to scrutinize.

the tax code needs to be fixed....or better yet...THROWN OUT in favor of a flat tax. You lefties keep on carping about taxing the rich...well how about getting everyone...including Jeff Immelt's company General Electric....to actually PAY the taxes they owe instead of putting their profits in offshore bank accounts that are tax shelters?? You remember Jeffrey Immelt? he's the CEO of GE? The one who plays golf regularly with obama....a big obama donor....you know...the one who sat in the presidential box when obama gave his state of the union address last year? Yah...that guy. The same guy whose company...GE...paid ZERO in federal corporate tax in 2010.

So...if you want to talk RADICAL policies...how about this....letting your best buddies skate by without paying a single penny in tax and then getting on TV and blabbering about how the rich need to pay their fair share?? Can you say HYPOCRITE?

Bottom line...the Republicans recognize that we have to reign in spending. The democrats believe that we can continue to print money...not have a fiscal budget...and never worry about the deficit. Which sounds more radical to you??
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Old 05-30-2012, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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I dunno about one's definition of radical, be it left radical or right radical. But, for sure the common campaign theme of Obama's 2008 campaign, Hope and Change, was about "Fundamentally Transforming the United States of America". There is plenty of youtube video of Obama speeches that preached that line pretty definitively.

Appointments and agenda - green energy (with failed ventures, $$$ to foreign companies like Fisker) in place of petro economy (drilling moratoriums/embargos/no new permitting), union bailouts (GM and Chrysler) in which thousands of non-union employees lost their jobs with the of forceable closing of dealerships, the loss of non-union jobs at GM and Chrysler, not to mention the abrogation of private bond holders' investment agreements seems pretty radical government intervention to this observer.

Even the stimulus was by and large directed to 'saving' public union jobs. After the one-time avoidance of job losses in that sector, the anemic economy's low tax generation has come home to roost, as local school systems, and municipalities have, over the past two years, had to cut jobs anyway.

"Fundamentally Transforming the United States of America" I think we'd all agree that if a Republican candidate said she was going to fundamentally transform America and enumerated a nationwide right to work law, stopped all green initiatives in favor 100% carbon, rolled back all EPA regulations, that that would be deemed radical.

Regardless as to how you choose to dissemble this, fundamental transformation is radical.
Not all “radical change” is bad. Providing universal healthcare, ending the drug war, stopping foreign military aid to Israel. That would be an example of good “radical change”. Obama has been labeled radical and divisive not by what he has done but based off the opinions of the far right. These people try to make him guiltily by association; guilty of being illegitimate, guiltily of communism, guilty of being a secret Muslim and what ever else they pull out their butts.

See here is where the issue is with your statement.

1. Those ideas you listed are very bad ideas and would send the country in the wrong direction.
2. Deregulation in most cases is a bad idea.

So you can’t compare moderate domestic changes to the complete sociological regression those ideas you posted would bring. Radical change in the right direction is ok in the wrong direction it is not…
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Old 05-30-2012, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Obama is a liberal, not a socialist.
Obama is not a liberal, he's a neo-conservative.
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Old 05-30-2012, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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If you believe in economic stimulus, gthen you also believe in spending this country into oblivion.

Regarding Reagan....he turned around a complete disaster that was the Carter administration. I don't recall anyone being hurt by his policies....if anything he was the answer to a prayer...the right man for the job at the right time. The antidote for that IDIOT carter and his clueless policies...and this current administration and it's direction remind me of that clown so much.

As for the current GOP proposing a balanced budget? That isn't until 2017....and YES..there will have to be cuts made. It's insane to continue this kind of spending...especially for entitlement programs. Half of the people on SS disability could work if they wanted to....and THAT is what denies benefits to those who truly need them!! And this dope in the white house wants illegal immigrants to be on Social Security too!!

The democrats have NO ANSWERS...in fact, they haven't even bothered to submit a budget for over 3 years. That way they don't have to answer for anything. But the republicans are at least putting something out there as a starting point, and making it available for the public to scrutinize.

the tax code needs to be fixed....or better yet...THROWN OUT in favor of a flat tax. You lefties keep on carping about taxing the rich...well how about getting everyone...including Jeff Immelt's company General Electric....to actually PAY the taxes they owe instead of putting their profits in offshore bank accounts that are tax shelters?? You remember Jeffrey Immelt? he's the CEO of GE? The one who plays golf regularly with obama....a big obama donor....you know...the one who sat in the presidential box when obama gave his state of the union address last year? Yah...that guy. The same guy whose company...GE...paid ZERO in federal corporate tax in 2010.

So...if you want to talk RADICAL policies...how about this....letting your best buddies skate by without paying a single penny in tax and then getting on TV and blabbering about how the rich need to pay their fair share?? Can you say HYPOCRITE?

Bottom line...the Republicans recognize that we have to reign in spending. The democrats believe that we can continue to print money...not have a fiscal budget...and never worry about the deficit. Which sounds more radical to you??
Like I said before I don’t believe in spending this country into oblivion. You are putting words in my mouth like a typical neo-con. For you not recall any Reagan policies that hurt anybody shows your lack of knowledge on his history. I’m not going to get into what he did wrong because that argument might take all day. I suggest you use Google to increase your understanding.

Ok now to the good stuff. You can’t balance a budget at the expense of the most vulnerable. Spending decreases on entitlement programs with tax cuts doesn’t make since and you know it. If you want to balance the budget you need tax increases or additional streams of revenue.

When has Obama mentioned he wanted illegal’s to be on SS? I must have missed that policy statement. Does the Democrats have answers for everything? No. Does the Republicans have the answer for anything? No. A flat tax won’t work, tax cuts for the wealth doesn’t work and cutting only services spending is ignoramus.
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