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Old 05-31-2012, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Gay men/women are NOT denied any rights that straight men/women have..
Gay couples, however, are denied the same rights that straight couples are.

Hence the equal rights argument.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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civil rights = equal rights
All men/woman have the same rights..
A gay man can marry a woman, can't marry a man
a straight man can marry a woman, can't marry a man.
same right = equal rights.

Gay men/women are NOT denied any rights that straight men/women have..

I personally do NOT oppose same sex marriage, I simply oppose the comparison to equal rights.. apples do not equal oranges.
And at one time whites had the same rights as blacks, to marry only within their race. Why were those laws changed by the SCOTUS?
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Um..Black people can't hide their Blackness.
To know if someone is gay or not wouldn't they need to tell you ?
Not always no, just like there are varying degrees of "blackness". Some gays are extremely obvious, others you would absolutely never know unless they told you. Lots of blacks are quite obvious, but mixed race blacks (Mariah Carey, Halle Berry, etc.) you likely wouldn't know.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:11 AM
 
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civil rights = equal rights
All men/woman have the same rights..
A gay man can marry a woman, can't marry a man
a straight man can marry a woman, can't marry a man.
same right = equal rights.

Gay men/women are NOT denied any rights that straight men/women have..

I personally do NOT oppose same sex marriage, I simply oppose the comparison to equal rights.. apples do not equal oranges.
This argument is so patently stupid it's not even used in the courts by the attorneys fighting against gay marriage.

You do realize the same argument was used for interracial marriage right? Blacks could marry blacks, but not whites. Whites could marry whites, but not blacks.

No discrimination, equal rights, right?
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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I have always felt that way but now I learn that many black ministers who attended the recent get together of the Congressional Black Caucus and the Conference of National Black Churches feel much the same way. Yes, of course, there was probably some editing done but this video shows a high number of black pastors who just don't agree with the attempt to liken the two movements.

Black church leaders: Gay marriage ‘not a civil rights issue’ [VIDEO] | The Daily Caller
Of course homophobia today isn't exactly like what blacks faced in the civil rights era, but it's undeniable that are similarities.

And a bunch of black preachers who don't support gay marriage do NOT speak for the black community.

These preachers can shove it up you know where just like all the other homophobes.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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Originally Posted by mco65 View Post
civil rights = equal rights
All men/woman have the same rights..
A gay man can marry a woman, can't marry a man
a straight man can marry a woman, can't marry a man.
same right = equal rights.

Gay men/women are NOT denied any rights that straight men/women have..

I personally do NOT oppose same sex marriage, I simply oppose the comparison to equal rights.. apples do not equal oranges.
Uuum ok...that was a mish mash. I guess you don't know what equal means...remember it means the same...gays deserve the SAME rights just like blacks deserve the SAME rights as whites. I'll await your reply.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:21 AM
 
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I have always felt that way but now I learn that many black ministers who attended the recent get together of the Congressional Black Caucus and the Conference of National Black Churches feel much the same way. Yes, of course, there was probably some editing done but this video shows a high number of black pastors who just don't agree with the attempt to liken the two movements.

Black church leaders: Gay marriage ‘not a civil rights issue’ [VIDEO] | The Daily Caller
They are entitled to their opinion but I can't help but think its influence by their negative perceptions of homosexuality.

They're wrong it's a civil rights issue.

Civil Rights

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What is a Civil Right?

A civil right is an enforceable right or privilege, which if interfered with by another gives rise to an action for injury. Examples of civil rights are freedom of speech, press, assembly, the right to vote, freedom from involuntary servitude, and the right to equality in public places. Discrimination occurs when the civil rights of an individual are denied or interfered with because of their membership in a particular group or class. Statutes have been enacted to prevent discrimination based on a persons race, sex, religion, age, previous condition of servitude, physical limitation, national origin and in some instances sexual preference.
I'll let one of the leading figures of the Civil Rights Era of explain it to you.

Rev. Lowery: Equal rights for some, but not all is an ‘oxymoron’ | theGrio

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Rev. Dr. Joseph Lowery has been “fighting for rights for the powerless, giving a voice to the voiceless,” Rev. Al Sharpton said last night on Politics Nation. Sharpton interviewed Lowery, a civil rights leader who has come to be known as the dean of the Civil Rights movement. The 90-year-old icon said he supports the president’s gay marriage endorsement.

“I don’t think you can say we believe in equal rights for some people but not for others,” Rev. Lowery said. “I think that’s what we call an oxymoron. I think if you believe in equal rights, you have to grant them to all the people.”

The question of whether President Barack Obama’s endorsement of same sex marriage would hurt or aid in his fight for re-election has been gaining attention. The move was seen as a big risk to a primary base of his voters, many of whom are African-Americans, who support gay rights at a lower rate than that of whites.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:31 AM
 
Location: California
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We make up the definitions to the words, terms and phases we use so this is meaningless.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:37 AM
 
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Um..Black people can't hide their Blackness.
To know if someone is gay or not wouldn't they need to tell you ?

How do you equate the two being similar ?

Black guy and a White guy come in for a job. You can SEE that one is Black but how do you know the White guy is gay ?

I don't see that civil rights for gays is the same as civil rights for Blacks.
Um...Can't hide your gayness from the discriminating court when you try to marry someone of the same sex sir.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I have always felt that way but now I learn that many black ministers who attended the recent get together of the Congressional Black Caucus and the Conference of National Black Churches feel much the same way. Yes, of course, there was probably some editing done but this video shows a high number of black pastors who just don't agree with the attempt to liken the two movements.

Black church leaders: Gay marriage ‘not a civil rights issue’ [VIDEO] | The Daily Caller
I'm sure those pastors will also tell you that there were rights before civil rights. And that all people were free, respected and not discriminated against.
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