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Old 07-19-2012, 10:49 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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If I understand correctly, if you donate money to charity of your choosing, it's not as good as government donating your money to the charity of its choosing - minus a cut for their benevolent management. (And a subtle wink to the political power inherent in that disbursement)
Ditto, for public funded infrastructure versus private enterprise.

I could be wrong, but folks are finally waking up to the "tax and bribe" system we've lived under for over 78 years.
Whatever. If you can't see anything good about what America has done in the past 78 years then you got plenty of countries to choose from.

 
Old 07-20-2012, 02:47 AM
 
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I can't believe some writing a screed about individualism would use the Ak-47 a weapon developed and produced in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics to substantiate his argument about individual achievement.

This is getting just too funny.
Look up the history of science and innovation in the USSR before you get too cocky. The AK-47 was designed by Mikhail Kalashnikov who also went on to design plenty of other small arms. Oh, and the K in AK stands for "Kalashikova". Andrei Tupolev was a genius when it came to the areospace engineering and the Tupolev Design Bureau is named after him. It should also be pointed out that he more or less stepped aside when he wanted to focus his efforts on civil rather than military aviation.

There are plenty of others as well.

Even the Soviets came to realize that individual drive and genius must be rewarded and recognized.
 
Old 07-20-2012, 03:19 AM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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For someone that is considered by many as the 'Great Communicator' - you think he would damned well best be making speeches IN CONTEXT to get his message across perfectly.

I feel that during campaigns, teleprompters should be off limits to all candidates. Too many depend on what others write FOR them.
 
Old 07-20-2012, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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He DID say it--in regard to roads and bridges--just not in regard to your business. The quote was taken out of context (which is a polite way of saying that that the people who made it into a hit piece LIED), and it's the kind of gotcha cut and paste crap that makes me sick of both sides. As the story on this ad comes out, it doesn't do much to help Romney get rid of his reputation for a having a problem with the truth. This was not a smart move by his people, because it's too easy to show that they made the whole thing up. .


Obama: 'If You've Got a Business, You Didn't Build That. Somebody Else Made That Happen' | CNSNews.com
Even if the quote is being taken 'out of context,' when put back in context, it becomes a strawman argument--a polite way of saying that Pres. Obama, and Elizabeth Warren before him, are arguing dishonestly.

No conservatives have argued that the gov't should stop building and funding roads, bridges, courthouses, etc. Actually, it is invariably liberals who take that tack, via the 'Washington Monument' strategy that they always deploy when spending cuts are proposed. What conservatives proposed is that gov't stop spending on everything from ad campaigns, to blackberry phones for smokers, to studies of Chinese hookers.
 
Old 07-20-2012, 05:09 AM
 
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Surprised he didn't use the bailouts as an example of how the lending institutions aren't still operating off of merit......
 
Old 07-20-2012, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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PICKETVIDEO) Obama - 'If you



Yes Obama, there are a lot of people out there working hard and while some do succeed and others fail, there are also those who actually do work harder than others to get to where they are. But what would you know about that? You want everything to be "equal". And we all know while yes you are POTUS, just what the hell did you do that was so great in your life? What the hell were your accomplishments besides community organizing (aka telling others how they should run things, etc)? Youve done jack squat.

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The funny thing is Obama never even ran a business that wasn't his let alone build one. He's never run anything, except for office and our country.....nuff said...
 
Old 07-20-2012, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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What I think he meant was that a business is useless in and of itself; it takes more than just one person starting the business to make a business thrive. Any successful business is successful because of other people not just the person who started it. Jeez people.
 
Old 07-20-2012, 05:43 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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LOL, Obama's lame brain crew "corrects" Romney at 0:14 but says exactly what Romney quoted at @ 0:25. Only the Snooki loving American Idol worshipping braindead crowd lacks sufficient short-term memory to connect the two.

Joe Biden make this ad?

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Old 07-20-2012, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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For someone that is considered by many as the 'Great Communicator' - you think he would damned well best be making speeches IN CONTEXT to get his message across perfectly.

I feel that during campaigns, teleprompters should be off limits to all candidates. Too many depend on what others write FOR them.
That's what makes him the 'great communi' cator. He can say what he like and his acolytes will interpret it to suit themselves. It's like pi$$ing your pants and doing laundry at the same time.

CONTEXT ? ? ? We don't need no stinking context!
 
Old 07-20-2012, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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What I think he meant was that a business is useless in and of itself; it takes more than just one person starting the business to make a business thrive. Any successful business is successful because of other people not just the person who started it. Jeez people.
Bill Gates, Sr., testified before the Senate in 2001 when they were debating the Estate Tax, and asked, if given the choice, how much would a newborn be willing to pay at the time of death for the opportunity to be born in America instead of Ethiopia? He presumed it would be quite a bit.

I am actually getting tired of all the whining from the right-wing that because Obama believes that because some businesses pay little taxes and others behave badly enough that they should be regulated, Obama is "anti-business." It's just crazy talk. In just about every speech, Obama praises private enterprise.

What's even more unnerving is Romney whining that because Mr. Obama questions low taxes on the rich and believes that financial companies should be regulated, that amounts to the president "attacking success." That's crazy talk too.

F. Scott Fitzgerald was right, "The very rich are different from you and me," -- they're thin-skinned whiners.

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