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Old 07-26-2012, 10:32 PM
 
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Well it's easier to hit the credit button which takes one tap then to enter your pin which is four taps. lol
Not everyone has a credit card.

Not everyone carries cash.
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:38 PM
 
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Here in Texas the stores have to buy the scanners. The state doesn't buy them for the stores.

We do have talking ones but only when you mess up. They don't tell you the item/price/total.
How do the blind scan in the item ? Barcodes are not raised on products.
I can scan items by myself. Usually the bar code is on a sticker, which is tactually noticeable. My issue is with the fact that the "talking machines" are still not fully accessible. Keep in mind folks, just because a machine talks, doesn't make it blind-accessible. In order for it to be blind-accessible, every step of the way, and every option, has to have speech-output. Every way of interacting with the machine has to be distinguishable either by feel, or by sound (I think it was Apple that revolutionized blind-accessible touch screens). In order for a touch screen to be blind-accessible, though, the machine has to announce what is under your finger as you move around, and therefore an actual click/selection has to be accomplished through a more complex maneuver, like a double-tap (which is how the iPhone works with the built-in screenreader VoiceOver). Touching the screen itself can't activate the machine to select an option, which is currently what even the talking self-checkout machines do. In other words, they talk, but they're not accessible to a totally blind person.
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:41 PM
 
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The key word is reasonable. Paying in cash, credit, debit or by check. There are four ways one can pay. Saying not everyone carries cash and a business must provide a debit card swipe instead of using cash, credit or a check isn't reasonable to me and I'm not just talking about for disabilities.
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:42 PM
 
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Yeah..seems they like to rearrange the food every week and put in new aisles.
When I check out and they ask me if I found everything ok I answer "Yes, in spite of you moving all the food around".
Ugh, this drives me nuts. I memorize where everything is, only to have it moved all over again. Why not just keep things consistent? I'm sure sighted shoppers appreciate knowing where to find X or Y too.
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:44 PM
 
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Gotta get the hot deals up front.
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:46 PM
 
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Saying not everyone carries cash and a business must provide a debit card swipe instead of using cash, credit or a check isn't reasonable to me and I'm not just talking about for disabilities.
Why isn't it reasonable? If they have a credit card machine, it DEFINITELY can read debit cards. If a business wants to earn money, they provide as many ways possible and convenient in order for a customer to pay.

If they don't want to, then sure, they can, but they shouldn't complain to anyone about how they aren't earning money or are losing customers because they refuse to be accommodating.

One Asian grocery store in my old neighborhood went out of business, because they would only accept cash as payment (i can only guess why). As we move to digital and electronic transactions, the need for cash and accepting cash is slowly becoming a thing of the past.

For deity's sake, even parking meters accept credit cards/debit cards now.
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:47 PM
 
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"but they are always a reflection of mutual expediency managed by opposing counsels."

If you have the money to hire council that is. Do you even realize how many ridiculous claims are settled out of court because the one being sued doesn't want to have to pay the legal fees which would end up being more than the amount being sued for? Yes you and your lawyer buddies have the whole game rigged and you keep howling about insurance companies for some reason.

So all you can do is run around calling people lizards and ignorant and scream about how society needs to be run like the military and also you claim to be an expert in tort law and what else legal science. It sounds to me like your just pissed off at the world and enjoy seeing the man getting it taken to him in your eyes. Good luck with that attitude.
This is one other separate tangent I want to respond to. You have made a couple cracks about my using military analogies -- and you made those comments with error and an air of disdain. One of your tasteless cracks was that the military operates by orders and not free and voluntary volition. I remind you that military service is volunteer. Every man and woman in the military has chosen to operate cooperatively in the socialist, mutual benefit society of armed service. When we take orders, we do so to make the system work effectively, not because we are slaves. We do so with the purpose and goal of defending the interests of our nation and culture.

I joined at 17, volunteered for a specialized high-risk duty, and requested combat service. I got what I asked for, earning special hazardous duty pay on top of combat pay -- and was home from my first combat tour before my 19th birthday. I later spent nearly 4 months hospitalized, followed by years of recovery as a result of damage sustained -- voluntarily.

Just this morning I sat with a group of about 10 disabled war veterans, listening to their ideas and experiences in the effort of assisting other disabled. Among the topics we discussed was Post Traumatic Growth -- a concept of how traumatic experience can lead to excellence in life moving forward. One of the most revealing comments and ensuing discussions was about the common motivation to continue serving -- by serving those who have sustained damages. Your tasteless stereotyping of the disabled community as "obese slobs" and cheats is not reflected in the vast majority of the disabled I have met -- and I have met uncountable numbers. The majority of disabled persons I know are remarkably heartfelt, forgiving, and generous -- unlike yourself.

Clearly you have never served, been disabled yourself, nor given of yourself to others who suffer disabilities that leave them outside of the mainstream that our infrastructure and culture are designed around. Your cavalier denigrations reveal a very shallow soul. Good luck with that disability yourself.
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:49 PM
 
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The key word is reasonable. Paying in cash, credit, debit or by check. There are four ways one can pay. Saying not everyone carries cash and a business must provide a debit card swipe instead of using cash, credit or a check isn't reasonable to me and I'm not just talking about for disabilities.
Why is that unreasonable? Especially in this poor economy, it's hard for a lot of people to get a credit card because they have bad credit. I know that I personally don't carry cash because it's easier to steal, and easier for people to cheat me with my money. I don't trust strangers with cash, and a wheelchair user shouldn't have to trust a stranger with their PIN number. A wheelchair user shouldn't be forced to have 4 payment methods available either, just because they're disabled. IMO that's unreasonable. What's so unreasonable about wanting to give disabled people the same number of options as able-bodied people?
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:57 PM
 
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This is one other separate tangent I want to respond to. You have made a couple cracks about my using military analogies -- and you made those comments with error and an air of disdain. One of your tasteless cracks was that the military operates by orders and not free and voluntary volition. I remind you that military service is volunteer. Every man and woman in the military has chosen to operate cooperatively in the socialist, mutual benefit society of armed service. When we take orders, we do so to make the system work effectively, not because we are slaves. We do so with the purpose and goal of defending the interests of our nation and culture.

I joined at 17, volunteered for a specialized high-risk duty, and requested combat service. I got what I asked for, earning special hazardous duty pay on top of combat pay -- and was home from my first combat tour before my 19th birthday. I later spent nearly 4 months hospitalized, followed by years of recovery as a result of damage sustained -- voluntarily.

Just this morning I sat with a group of about 10 disabled war veterans, listening to their ideas and experiences in the effort of assisting other disabled. Among the topics we discussed was Post Traumatic Growth -- a concept of how traumatic experience can lead to excellence in life moving forward. One of the most revealing comments and ensuing discussions was about the common motivation to continue serving -- by serving those who have sustained damages. Your tasteless stereotyping of the disabled community as "obese slobs" and cheats is not reflected in the vast majority of the disabled I have met -- and I have met uncountable numbers. The majority of disabled persons I know are remarkably heartfelt, forgiving, and generous -- unlike yourself.

Clearly you have never served, been disabled yourself, nor given of yourself to others who suffer disabilities that leave them outside of the mainstream that our infrastructure and culture are designed around. Your cavalier denigrations reveal a very shallow soul. Good luck with that disability yourself.
I'd like to add if you don't mind. I go to a school for the deaf (I'm one of the few hearing students, in the interpreting program), and am heavily involved in disability rights. I know many wheelchair users, many of them deaf/hard-of-hearing as well. I also know many people with various intellectual and emotional disabilities (including myself--I have PTSD). I could easily say I know hundreds of disabled people, a large percentage of them of them multiply disabled. None of the disabled people I know are fat slobs. A very small number of disabled people I know are obese, but as a result of their disability, not the other way around. The vast majority of disabled people I know are pursuing an education, many of them in graduate school. They're incredibly ambitious, full of dreams and aspirations, and working hard to fulfill them. I know a number that have terminal degrees in their field of speciality. Many of the disabled people I know have or currently work, because they prefer to contribute to society rather than just accept dependence on the government and a life of poverty. The concept of disabled people as being just a bunch of fat slobs buying junk food on their food stamps is just...inaccurate.
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:03 PM
 
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I carry cash, credit and my debit card about everywhere I go and my checkbook is in the glove box. Maybe I'll go to the local hot dog cart and try and pay with a credit card and see how far I get.
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