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Old 07-27-2012, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Good luck with that. Insurgencies always last longer than 90 days. Let's see, the Iraq insurgency lasted 9+ years. The Afghanistan insurgency has lasted 11 years, and it is still going strong. The Philippine insurgency lasted 40 years before WE gave up and granted them their independence.

Besides, at least half the military would not obey an illegal order given by the President or any of their superiors.

Any administration that would even consider the possibility of using nuclear weapons on its own citizens is in desperate need to be overthrown, as quickly as possible.
Yes, insurgencies last longer then that.

But 90 days is more then enough time for our troops to secure the military force and supplies they need to crush the rebellion later on. Insurgent wars that you are thinking of have to do with occupying powers many thousands of miles away from who they are trying to oppress. Rome, England, us in Afghanistan are examples of this.

But at home, its a little different.

Really, do you think the Syrians will resort to chemical weapon attacks as a last resort? If the President is defending himself against an armed rebellion, nuclear is an option.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:27 PM
 
Location: WA
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I'm trying to figure out how you plow guns into more plows. Are you growing plows on your farm?
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:30 PM
 
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With 40+ million well-trained former military now in the real-world (the civilian sector), it would not even be a contest.
Well...what are you waiting for then?
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Yes, insurgencies last longer then that.

But 90 days is more then enough time for our troops to secure the military force and supplies they need to crush the rebellion later on. Insurgent wars that you are thinking of have to do with occupying powers many thousands of miles away from who they are trying to oppress. Rome, England, us in Afghanistan are examples of this.

But at home, its a little different.

Really, do you think the Syrians will resort to chemical weapon attacks as a last resort? If the President is defending himself against an armed rebellion, nuclear is an option.
Alaska is a good example of a military that is "thousands of miles away" from its supplies. We have lots of military bases in Alaska, and they do not even have sufficient numbers to lock-down Alaska much less any other State. A small handful of ex-military could easily sneak into Elmondorf AFB and blow up the vast majority of their planes. Just as Fort Richardson, Fort Greely, and Fort Wainwright would find themselves quickly overwhelmed. Then all those planes, tanks, and other military equipment will be in the hands of ex-military civilians. The active duty military would not stand a chance.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Alaska is a good example of a military that is "thousands of miles away" from its supplies. We have lots of military bases in Alaska, and they do not even have sufficient numbers to lock-down Alaska much less any other State. A small handful of ex-military could easily sneak into Elmondorf AFB and blow up the vast majority of their planes. Just as Fort Richardson, Fort Greely, and Fort Wainwright would find themselves quickly overwhelmed. Then all those planes, tanks, and other military equipment will be in the hands of ex-military civilians. The active duty military would not stand a chance.

Alaska has such a small population that it doesn't matter what they do.

No, they aren't thousands of miles away.

You also forget one very important point, most people, even armed civilians, wouldn't fight back.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Well...what are you waiting for then?
I am waiting for this administration, or any other administration, to declare war against US civilians. It will be a very short war and outcome is inevitable, the government will certainly lose.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Alaska has such a small population that it doesn't matter what they do.

No, they aren't thousands of miles away.

You also forget one very important point, most people, even armed civilians, wouldn't fight back.
Except that the military would not even be able to contain Alaska.

We are indeed thousands of miles away. It is over 1,700 miles from Anchorage, Alaska to Bellingham, Washington.

I did not forget that fact. If they are not properly trained, I would not want them fighting in the first place. Nevertheless, that still leaves us with more than 40 million well-trained ex-military civilians.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Except that the military would not even be able to contain Alaska.

We are indeed thousands of miles away. It is over 1,700 miles from Anchorage, Alaska to Bellingham, Washington.

I did not forget that fact. If they are not properly trained, I would not want them fighting in the first place. Nevertheless, that still leaves us with more than 40 million well-training ex-military civilians.

It doesn't matter if they can't control alaska in a day, a month, or a few. They'll control enough of the country to wage unlimited war on Alaska, Hawaii, whatever. Just wait till winter, and invade a little at a time.

There would be armed rebellion for decades, just as there was in the south for nearly 100 years after the war.

But its small, ineffective, and in the end everyone who fought dies.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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It doesn't matter if they can't control alaska in a day, a month, or a few. They'll control enough of the country to wage unlimited war on Alaska, Hawaii, whatever. Just wait till winter, and invade a little at a time.

There would be armed rebellion for decades, just as there was in the south for nearly 100 years after the war.

But its small, ineffective, and in the end everyone who fought dies.
Winter works best for Alaskan civilians, nmot the military. We are use to the winters here, the US military is not. They send troops to Fort Greely and Fort Wainwright for cold weather training. Alaskans are already acclimated to the climate and the conditions in Alaska.

Without fuel, beans, bullets, and band-aids, the military would run out of supplies quickly. They would be overwelmed in short order.
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:44 PM
 
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yes the us military is the almighty isnt it? yes that is why loosely connected bands of local militia with surplus russian weapons and cell phones have kicked our posterior for 10 years in the mideast isnt it?
The way your politicians prosecute a war, you have arguably had your hat handed to you ever since Korea, which was itself a draw.

I it comes down to a real broohaha within your country however, I expect those politicians would remove any obstacles that serve the military complex and private contractors interests only and instead allow all out scorched earth. After all they've done it before haven't they?
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