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View Poll Results: Pro-life people, is abortion okay is the child is a result of rape?
I'm pro-choice so this is irrelevant to me 38 55.88%
I'm pro-life and even in the case of rape and incest, all life is precious 27 39.71%
I'm pro-life but I think in this case, the baby isn't worthy of being born 3 4.41%
Voters: 68. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-24-2012, 12:27 AM
 
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Would you support abortion being legal in the case of rape? I've heard many pro-life people say that in the case of rape, it's different. Essentially it comes down to the life not being 'honorable', right, since in any other case it's considered murder? How is that fundamentally any different from an 'honor killing'?
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Old 07-24-2012, 12:43 AM
 
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There is no honour in a pregnancy caused by a brutal rape. And yes I would support abortion in cases of rape, would any female like to be forcibly inseminated and have to live with result of that, namely the child.
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Old 07-24-2012, 12:51 AM
 
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There is no honour in a pregnancy caused by a brutal rape. And yes I would support abortion in cases of rape, would any female like to be forcibly inseminated and have to live with result of that, namely the child.
Are you pro-life or pro-choice?
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Old 07-24-2012, 12:51 AM
 
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Would you support abortion being legal in the case of rape? I've heard many pro-life people say that in the case of rape, it's different. Essentially it comes down to the life not being 'honorable', right, since in any other case it's considered murder? How is that fundamentally any different from an 'honor killing'?



It's not.

The child raped no one and shouldn't be punished for someone else's deed.

Having said that, no one wants a victim of rape to be forced to carry a child to term when the child is the result of a violent rape.

Not permitting an abortion in such cases effectively allows the rape to continue for nine months.

I'm not saying it's right.

I'm just saying what is right cannot be because the rapist has taken that option off the table.

In the case of pregnancy from rape, the options are effectively continuing the rape or killing an innocent child.




I believe a woman should be held accountable for her actions in the same way a man is.

Copulating leads to pregnancy, and just because the female voting majority has discovered they can vote themselves rights which violate the fundamental rights of politically vulnerable groups doesn't mean they shouldn't be held to the same standard of accountability as others.

The time to be pro-choice is before an innocent life begins.

Everyone should have the right to choose to not copulate.

Those who do voluntarily copulate should not be given the right to kill because they were careless.

Those who have been forced to copulate would seem to be an exception to the accountability rule as no one wants a rape victim to suffer even more for an action they never voluntarily took.

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Old 07-24-2012, 12:58 AM
 
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Rape is the sticking point that makes everyone prochoice, even if they would rather die than use that term to describe themselves.
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:01 AM
 
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Rape is the sticking point that makes everyone prochoice, even if they would rather die than use that term to describe themselves.
I just find it hypocritical, like they are against abortion, unless the baby wasn't conceived in a loving way which in that case it's fine. I think it proves many pro-life people are not pro-life out of a love for life but rather out of ideas of preserving sexual honour and purity.

With that said though, there are some people who truly are pro-life. I don't think abortion would make a rape victim feel better, maybe some of them but I think for the most part, having the baby is more of a victory over the rapist, since they can be proud of doing such an unselfish thing after having such a selfish thing done to them. Some women certainly wouldn't be able to love such a baby but many if not most would. Maternal love is unconditional isn't it? I'm pro-choice anyways though, I mean I am against abortion but I still think it should be legal just because I think criminalizing things is generally the wrong way to discourage behavior.

It's kind of sad how people find a child to be so precious unless they are unwanted, in which case they are worthless trash.
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:05 AM
 
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Once any exception is made to allow the murder of an innocent baby, it's a slippery slope to allow more and more exceptions.
Under the exception, "mental health of the mother", basically all abortions can be legalized.


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Old 07-24-2012, 01:18 AM
 
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I just find it hypocritical, like they are against abortion, unless the baby wasn't conceived in a loving way which in that case it's fine. I think it proves many pro-life people are not pro-life out of a love for life but rather out of ideas of preserving sexual honour and purity.

With that said though, there are some people who truly are pro-life. I don't think abortion would make a rape victim feel better, maybe some of them but I think for the most part, having the baby is more of a victory over the rapist, since they can be proud of doing such an unselfish thing after having such a selfish thing done to them. Some women certainly wouldn't be able to love such a baby but many if not most would. Maternal love is unconditional isn't it? I'm pro-choice anyways though, I mean I am against abortion but I still think it should be legal just because I think criminalizing things is generally the wrong way to discourage behavior.

It's kind of sad how people find a child to be so precious unless they are unwanted, in which case they are worthless trash.

It's not hypocritical because forcing a woman to carry a child created by the act of forcible rape continues the rape until the child is born.

This is also wrong.

Both options are horrible and there is no correct answer.

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Old 07-24-2012, 05:33 AM
 
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It's not.

The child raped no one and shouldn't be punished for someone else's deed.

Having said that, no one wants a victim of rape to be forced to carry a child to term when the child is the result of a violent rape.

Not permitting an abortion in such cases effectively allows the rape to continue for nine months.

I'm not saying it's right.

I'm just saying what is right cannot be because the rapist has taken that option off the table.

In the case of pregnancy from rape, the options are effectively continuing the rape or killing an innocent child.




I believe a woman should be held accountable for her actions in the same way a man is.

Copulating leads to pregnancy, and just because the female voting majority has discovered they can vote themselves rights which violate the fundamental rights of politically vulnerable groups doesn't mean they shouldn't be held to the same standard of accountability as others.

The time to be pro-choice is before an innocent life begins.

Everyone should have the right to choose to not copulate.

Those who do voluntarily copulate should not be given the right to kill because they were careless.

Those who have been forced to copulate would seem to be an exception to the accountability rule as no one wants a rape victim to suffer even more for an action they never voluntarily took.
So , for you, it's NOT "murdering a baby" if the abortion is because of rape....



But if the woman enjoyed the sex it's *** FLIP FLOP*** "murdering a baby"....


Now, describe how one abortion is different from another....you can't, they're the same thing.

YOU, just like the rapist, take away the woman's right to choose. YOU want impose YOUR morals on others...

You want to simply punish the woman for having enjoyable sex...a totally human,unchangeable, and unstoppable bit of human behaviour...
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:36 AM
 
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It's not hypocritical because forcing a woman to carry a child created by the act of forcible rape continues the rape until the child is born.""""


No, the child is there forever.... Children usually outlive their parents...




""This is also wrong.

Both options are horrible and there is no correct answer.
Yes, we have the correct answer....women's right to CHOICE...unwanted children are unwanted children
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