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Old 08-07-2012, 05:27 PM
 
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rather than his original username, Steve McGarrett, or even his second username Lawyer Disciple?..... [/b]
.... george lazenby, tea party ted...... yadda yadda yadda...... all eventually banned ( as was steve mcgarrett and lawyer discipline ).

i'm actually proud of steve for holding on to this name for so long. for a while there he was losing a name every 1-3days.
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:28 PM
 
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Wow, liberals are kind of dense aren't they.

So, Romney didn't do anything illegal with regards to taxes, and there is no evidence to prove it's correct. But libs are convinced he's a criminal.

Come on now, they're both the same issue. Admit it. I know ya can.
Actually, no, not paying taxes could have been entirely legal. It's not criminal if you get around paying by legally using the tax code to your advantage, but it would be an interesting thing to know.

Romney's tax rate is below that of most Americans already and the fact is that he may have paid very little in 2009

Start Making Sense: Why won't Romney release his 2009 tax return?

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1) We know from the 2010 tax return, in which he had a net capital loss carryforward from 2009, that he zeroed out his net capital gains - including from carried interest Bain income - in 2009.

2) 2009 was the last year in which he received certain Bain payments as the playout of his "retroactive retirement."
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From the first 2 items above, it may be a reasonable guess that Romney had a lot more gross income in 2009 than 2010 and 2011, yet paid less tax or even zero tax.
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:30 PM
 
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I keep wondering why you progs just won't let Kenya out of the discussion.

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I am sure that is why he is not releasing his transcript, as it would show him to be a Kenyan national.
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:51 PM
 
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the US does not allow for minors that young to renounce US citizenship:

Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship
read and weep
Since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship; neither did the United States (since the United States only permitted dual citizenship when ‘both’ countries agree); and since Obama/Soetoro was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, the United States would not step in or interfere with the laws of Indonesia. Hague Convention of 1930.
As a result of Soetoro/Obama’s Indonesian “natural” citizenship status, Soetoro/Obama could never regain U.S. “natural born” status, if he in fact he ever held such, which we doubt. Soetoro/Obama could have only become “naturalized” if the proper paperwork were filed with the U.S. State Department, after going through U.S. Immigration upon his return to the United States; in which case, Soetoro/Obama would have received a Certification of Citizenship indicating “naturalized.”
We are informed, believe and thereon allege Obama/Soetoro was never naturalized in the United States after his return. Soetoro/Obama was ten (10) years old when he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Soetoro/Obama’s mother did not return with him. Therefore, it appears that she did not apply for citizenship for Soetoro/Obama in the United States. If citizenship for Soetoro/Obama had been applied for in 1971, Soetoro/Obama would have a Certification of Citizenship. If Soetoro/Obama returned in 1971 to Hawaii without going through U.S. Immigration, today he would be an “illegal alien” – and obviously not able to serve as President, but also his term as a United States Senator from Illinois for nearly four (4) years was illegal.
BadFiction – “The Indonesian Citizenship Myth” | ObamaCrimes.com
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:55 PM
 
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....and since Obama/Soetoro was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia,....
how did obama become a "natural" citizen of indonesia?
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:58 PM
 
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His mom didn't lose her US citizenship by marrying an Indonesian and moving there, and neither did Obama. That's not the way the law works. In fact, even if the mom gave up her US citizenship, the child doesn't lose his until he reaches the age of 23 without having resided in the US. Is this what you guys are yammering on about?

What's Your Evidence?: Did Obama Become an Indonesian Citizen*when His Mother, Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, and moved to Indonesia?

I've said this before on this board, but I have close family members living in Europe. My cousin is an American citizen, married to a foreign national. The kids were all born over there, and they all have dual citizenship. My cousin is an American citizen with permanent residency. You can live in a foreign country, married to someone from that country, and never become a citizen--it's NOT automatic. You have to apply, and you usually have to be in a country living there for a number of years before they'll grant you citizenship.
you are wrong.
Soetoro/Obama was registered in a public school as an Indonesian citizen by the name of Barry Soetoro and his father was listed as Lolo Soetoro, M.A. Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960’s or 1970’s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 (all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education). The Indonesian school record, indicates that Soetoro/Obama’s name is “Barry Soetoro;” his nationality is “Indonesia” and his father “Lolo Soetoro, M.A. There was no way for Soetoro/Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia legally unless he was an Indonesian citizen, as Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Law No. 62 of 1958. These facts indicate that Obama/Soetoro is an Indonesian citizen, and therefore he is not eligible to be President of the United States.
Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Soetoro/Obama, an Indonesian State citizen. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie).
Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once an Indonesian citizen adopts a child, the adoption severs the child’s relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child and the child takes the name of his step-father, in this case, Soetoro. See Indonesian Constitution, Article 2.
BadFiction – “The Indonesian Citizenship Myth” | ObamaCrimes.com
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Old 08-07-2012, 06:02 PM
 
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how did obama become a "natural" citizen of indonesia?
by Stanley marrying Soetoro, an Indonesian.

When it comes to the citizenship of individuals in other countries, we are prevented from interfering, Hague Convention 1930. Speaking of Indonesia, during the late 60′s all the way up until 2006 Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. In 2006 they changed their laws to permit dual citizenship, however, Indonesia has had its battles with enforcing their new law permitting dual citizenship.
With this said, from the research we have done, it appears that Soetoro became an Indonesian citizen. When Soetoro/Obama was approximately four (4) years old his parents divorced and thereafter, Soetoro/Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia. Evidence points to the fact that Lolo Soetoro either signed a government form legally “acknowledging” Soetoro/Obama as his son or “adopted” Soetoro, either of which changed any citizenship status Soetoro/Obama had to a “natural” citizen of Indonesia.
BadFiction – “The Indonesian Citizenship Myth” | ObamaCrimes.com

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Old 08-07-2012, 06:02 PM
 
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Soetoro/Obama was registered in a public school as an Indonesian citizen by the name of Barry Soetoro...
yep, and place of birth on that form.......... hawaii.
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Old 08-07-2012, 06:04 PM
 
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by Stanley marrying Soetoro, an Indonesian.
please point out specifically under indonesian law how that made either stanley ann or obama an indonesian citizen.
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Old 08-07-2012, 06:05 PM
 
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off for dinner but will be back later tonight claud.

all the best.
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