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Isn't it weird that within thirty minutes after I read this message, I go to the next chapter in my Bible study and find the answer to your question. I studied Acts 1 yesterday and today I'm studying Acts 2.
Peter is giving a sermon at Pentecost and referring back to the word of God. He then gives the answer to your question Nunnor. I'm going to paste below from what i just typed up in my notes.
Peter’s message again is to the Jews, and he makes it clear that the Jews didn’t make a mistake, but that it was God’s predetermined plan that the Jews crucify Jesus. An interesting concept to understand is that the Jews are criticized for slaying Christ, but Peter mentions here that it was God’s predetermined plan that Jesus would be sacrificed by his own people.
Notice as Peter talks about the cross he's not speaking of some horrible, tragic accident that happened. But in referring to the cross, he is talking about it as God's predetermined counsel and foreknowledge. It could not be any other way, because the cross was prophesied in the Old Testament. And the very fact that there are prophecies of the cross, death on the cross: Psalm 22, Isaiah 52, "lifted up" a term used for crucifixion, and His death prophesied in Isaiah 53. There can be no other conclusion but what the death of Jesus Christ on the cross was planned by God long before Jesus ever came into the world. And thus, it is manifestly wrong to try to blame the Jews or to try to blame the Romans or anybody else for the cross. It was something that God had predetermined by His own foreknowledge--a method by which He might manifest the extent of His love for lost man. And so, as he refers to the cross, he talks about God's predetermined counsel, and thus the scripture speaks of Christ crucified from the foundations of world. Before man ever sinned, God had in mind to send His Son to redeem man from his sin, and thus to manifest God's love for sinning man. It's all part of God's predetermined plan, His foreknowledge.
Isn't is so great how God works in our lives!
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Originally Posted by Nunnor
I always wondered why Americans support Jewish State of Israel a lot? Jews are only 2% of the U.S. population, yet it seems like the majority of people in this nation support them a lot. I understand their history of persecution, but other people have had history of persecution as well.
What makes it bizare is that 80% of Americans are Christians and surprised they support group of people that made the Romans kill and persecute their lord and saviour 2,000 years ago.
I no longer study INR but it started as a Cold War manuever to offset Soviet ambitions in the region. Always under the jargon of retaining a pro-West state with lingering comments about the need of a Jewish state post-Holocaust. That would be through the late 1980s.
Then Israel was important to offset the ambitions of other aggressive states in the region-Iraq, Iran and always hostile states such as Syria. Having another ally to manuever against Egypt as well. Arabs respect strength and the trouncing they have received from Israel made good political power for the US in having an Israeli ally.
Then came 9-2011 and the war on terror gave us a staunch ally who had been fighting similar attacks for decades.
There was always the Jewish lobby and intellectuals in the NE region. The powerbrokers. Although they were offset by intellecturals in the State Dept who tended to be pro-arab.
There it is in a nutshell.
As for popular opinion polls. I really do not see any of that sort.
Thank you for this great and factual post! There are far too many ignorant Americans, with little knowledge of Israel and the Jews, let alone American history, that have begun to believe the rhetoric of terrorist nations. Why? Is it just pure ignorance? Or is there something else at work.
One thing I do know, is that the infiltration of islamists in our country, even our government, and with it the spreading of their propaganda, has begun to convince an ignorant public that Israel is evil, and Hamas, good!
Organizations such as CAIR, which supports terrorist organizations, have been spreading the lie that Islam is a "peacful religion." Islam has never been a "peaceful religion." There own "holy book" instructs them to "kill the infidel," which is anyone that is not Muslim.
The goal of Islam is to destroy Western civilization, and America (which they call "The Great Satan") and to make America a Muslim State, under Sharia Law!
They also wish to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth."
Wake up, people!
i don't think most americans are anti israel or pro muslim. (or vice versa)
we just want to stay out of their battles, and not get sucked in.
what's wrong with that? those countries have been fighting for a long time and will fight whether we are there or not.
Going to blame Bobby Kennedy's assassination by a secular Christian on Islam too? Or just admit that the Palestinians were driven out of their own land at gunpoint, and that such things p*** normal people off?
Go back to the Wikipedia article. Review carefully Sirhan's motivations, as he expressed them himself.
The Palestinians and other Arabs tried to push the Israelis out immediately after the UN mandated the partition. They got their butts kicked, and they've been crying about it ever since.
Israel serves little or no purpose to the US, they are more of a liability than anything else. They need us we don't need them, they have enough trouble defending their own borders. What good is an ally where we can't use their military bases and cannot ask for their assistance in a conflict. How much good did they do with Libya, Egypt, Kuwait, they are an ally in name only, completely useless. The alliance creates a huge downside with the Arab world and virtually guarantees our failure.
"Israel serves little or no purpose to the US"
Of course they serve a purpose as in the case when they took out Iraqs nuclear plant or keeping a balance of power in the middle East. We keep our hands free to play peace maker and they get their hands dirty. Even Saudi Arabia will look the other way when Israel flys over SA territory to take care of Irans potential nuclear threat (if or when it happens). Besides that we get to see how our equipment performs in actual battle field conditions while American troops stay out of harms way. It's a perfect symbiotic relationship!
"Israel serves little or no purpose to the US"
Of course they serve a purpose as in the case when they took out Iraqs nuclear plant or keeping a balance of power in the middle East. We keep our hands free to play peace maker and they get their hands dirty. Even Saudi Arabia will look the other way when Israel flys over SA territory to take care of Irans potential nuclear threat (if or when it happens). Besides that we get to see how our equipment performs in actual battle field conditions while American troops stay out of harms way. It's a perfect symbiotic relationship!
That is the correct analysis from the US foreign policy perspective, and one which every Administration since Truman has clearly understood. Thank you.
"Israel serves little or no purpose to the US"
Of course they serve a purpose as in the case when they took out Iraqs nuclear plant or keeping a balance of power in the middle East. We keep our hands free to play peace maker and they get their hands dirty. Even Saudi Arabia will look the other way when Israel flys over SA territory to take care of Irans potential nuclear threat (if or when it happens). Besides that we get to see how our equipment performs in actual battle field conditions while American troops stay out of harms way. It's a perfect symbiotic relationship!
I might have missed that one, do you have a link, so the US is free now no need to worry about Iran's nuclear capability. Tell me why this in the news every day if the job is done, why the embargo of Iran if Israel destroyed their capability.
Isn't it weird that within thirty minutes after I read this message, I go to the next chapter in my Bible study and find the answer to your question. I studied Acts 1 yesterday and today I'm studying Acts 2.
Peter is giving a sermon at Pentecost and referring back to the word of God. He then gives the answer to your question Nunnor. I'm going to paste below from what i just typed up in my notes.
Peter’s message again is to the Jews, and he makes it clear that the Jews didn’t make a mistake, but that it was God’s predetermined plan that the Jews crucify Jesus. An interesting concept to understand is that the Jews are criticized for slaying Christ, but Peter mentions here that it was God’s predetermined plan that Jesus would be sacrificed by his own people.
Notice as Peter talks about the cross he's not speaking of some horrible, tragic accident that happened. But in referring to the cross, he is talking about it as God's predetermined counsel and foreknowledge. It could not be any other way, because the cross was prophesied in the Old Testament. And the very fact that there are prophecies of the cross, death on the cross: Psalm 22, Isaiah 52, "lifted up" a term used for crucifixion, and His death prophesied in Isaiah 53. There can be no other conclusion but what the death of Jesus Christ on the cross was planned by God long before Jesus ever came into the world. And thus, it is manifestly wrong to try to blame the Jews or to try to blame the Romans or anybody else for the cross. It was something that God had predetermined by His own foreknowledge--a method by which He might manifest the extent of His love for lost man. And so, as he refers to the cross, he talks about God's predetermined counsel, and thus the scripture speaks of Christ crucified from the foundations of world. Before man ever sinned, God had in mind to send His Son to redeem man from his sin, and thus to manifest God's love for sinning man. It's all part of God's predetermined plan, His foreknowledge.
Isn't is so great how God works in our lives!
The only thing weird is someone using a document written thousands of years ago, by people with their own individual biases, to justify current actions.
I realize there are many agnostic Jews today. However I am standing firm in supporting scripture and the nation of Israel like any Bible-believing Christian should.
I stand firm for true Israel.
True Israel is NOT the antichrist Edomite-jew false "Israel" who has usurped and perverted God's ancient Holy Land.
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Originally Posted by TheCzar
And dont worry about the screen name. Don't look too much into it. I realize that moron we have in the white house likes to use it and I completely distance from him.
I had to at this statement.
If your post had been before May 7, I would be wondering about your true identity.
Your extreme efforts to micro-manage and control,
may be the catalyst that propels you to your destiny.
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