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If a woman discharges an egg which is not fertilized, it's a non-event involving only herself.
When a man discharges sperm, it is also a non-event.
When a woman releases an egg that is fertilized and implanted and begins to grow, she is nevertheless under no legal obligation to continue any sort of supportive relationship with it.
A man whose sperm fertilizes the same egg will be forced by a court to pay support for this same unwanted child.
Are women too irresponsible to be held to the same standard as men?
The truth is both parties are equally responsible for creating a dependent child.
The child didn't choose to be created within a uterus or to be made dependent on his or her mother's body.
The decisions of the parents placed that child there and made that child dependent on the mother.
Arguments used to deny personhood to a fetus are the same arguments that were used to deny personhood to African slaves and Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and political opponents in Nazi Germany.
No surprise that it is a voting majority who have decided those who cannot vote are non-persons.
You're rambling, is there a point you are trying to make? I am guessing you are trying to create some form a thing to make it okay for our government to govern a woman's body....oh and if a woman has an abortion, there is no need for the man to pay child support if there was no intention by the father to help raise the child he created. Now on the other hand, there is nothing wrong with two people working together to raise a child, we don't need government to tell us to do that either.
ectopic pregnancy is the obvious one. These pregnancies are not viable.
HELLP syndrome/eclampsia (usually occurs late enough in pregnancy that a viable infant can be delivered)
hyperemesis gravidarim (death to the mother is rare but this can be a very serious condition)
Chronic medical conditions that can put mother's health/life in danger
some of these can be managed to one degree or another but they do present a real health risk. Certainly it should be the woman's choice if she wishes to take on those risks or not.
It would be helpful to know the numbers of dead women who developed these conditions. We know the numbers for abortions.
Same for abortions for rape (legit or claimed as rape) and incest.
Ya need to tell Wayland Woman that. She is making pro-choicers look like scientific ignoramouses.
The word you're looking for is 'ignoramus' not ignoramouses. Maybe you just aren't able to understand complex topics that have many layers and subtexts to them.
I am pro abortion. That alone proves you wrong. More abortions equals less poverty and crime.
When someone says a fetus is twelve weeks old at what point are they measuring from?
When a woman states she is six months pregnant at what point is she measuring from?
When an Arkansas native says " Ya know if my sister had not looked so good in them Daisy Dukes you would not be here, son." What event do ya think he is referring to?
The fact is human life sometimes needs to be killed. Othertimes it is a net good to kill the parasite. Up to the third trimester a woman should be able to kill the developing fetus, in instances of rape, incest, or any other reason, including the ultrasound showed the kid has a big nose.
is this all just a big joke to you? Do you actually think anyone believes you are pro-choice? You've already stuck both of your feet in your mouth ankle high, how much further can they go? You must have a deep throat. You should also be ashamed of yourself for trying to crack wise in a subject that is no joking matter. Does your god approve of this type of behavior?
If a woman discharges an egg which is not fertilized, it's a non-event involving only herself.
When a man discharges sperm, it is also a non-event.
When a woman releases an egg that is fertilized and implanted and begins to grow, she is nevertheless under no legal obligation to continue any sort of supportive relationship with it.
A man whose sperm fertilizes the same egg will be forced by a court to pay support for this same unwanted child.
Are women too irresponsible to be held to the same standard as men?
The truth is both parties are equally responsible for creating a dependent child.
The child didn't choose to be created within a uterus or to be made dependent on his or her mother's body.
The decisions of the parents placed that child there and made that child dependent on the mother.
Arguments used to deny personhood to a fetus are the same arguments that were used to deny personhood to African slaves and Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and political opponents in Nazi Germany.
No surprise that it is a voting majority who have decided those who cannot vote are non-persons.
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78
You're rambling, is there a point you are trying to make? I am guessing you are trying to create some form a thing to make it okay for our government to govern a woman's body....oh and if a woman has an abortion, there is no need for the man to pay child support if there was no intention by the father to help raise the child he created. Now on the other hand, there is nothing wrong with two people working together to raise a child, we don't need government to tell us to do that either.
Pretending to not understand while running back to your canned talking points fools no one.
The people who support abortion know they are killing children.
The arguments in support of abortion are there so they don't have to admit what is already understood.
The word you're looking for is 'ignoramus' not ignoramouses. Maybe you just aren't able to understand complex topics that have many layers and subtexts to them.
It ain't real complicated. It is so simple even people with poor grammer that caint spell can understand it.
Personally, I think we just ought to say life begins at three days old. If you can legally rescind many large purchases, under certain circumstances, during a three day period after the purchase, ya oughta be able to act on buyer's regret here.
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Dr. Watson A. Bowes, University of Colorado Medical School: “The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter—the beginning is conception. This straightforward biological fact should not be distorted to serve sociological, political, or economic goals.”
Todd Akin is minimizing the traumatic effects of rape and he's labeling a rape as "legitimate rape"? The hell is that? It's like he thinks women are 2nd class citizens because the way he talks about them in the statement mentioned is he's disregarding the fact that a violent crime happened and the female body can fight it?
He is on the Committee of Science, Space and Technology for christ's sake. He doesn't know the basics of how a reproductive organ works!
A fetus has the POTENTIAL to become a human being, but it is not quite a human being, much like how an egg has the potential to be a chicken. You CANNOT force a woman to do what she does not want to do.
Pretending to not understand while running back to your canned talking points fools no one.
The people who support abortion know they are killing children.
The arguments in support of abortion are there so they don't have to admit what is already understood.
Well seeing that I personally know people who have had abortions which none of those choices were the easiest for them to make, actually they were the opposite, but each one had to make a personal choice if they were ready to raise a child and if the person they were with was the right person to raise a child with. It is a choice they will have to live with for the rest of their life, but it was a choice they had to make for themselves, no government should be making that decision for anyone.
It is fine to be against abortion, no one is forcing anyone to have them, but much like it is wrong to force people to have abortions, it is also wrong to force someone to birth a child and raise it when they are not ready for a child.
Coma of the mother? If she is still getting adequate nutrition, the baby will still grow and can be removed via c-section at term. Imagine waking up and being told your baby was KILLED while you were in the coma. Hell to the no.
Placental abruption means the baby will die anyway, it's not a reason to kill it before it dies naturally.
If the mother has a fast-spreading uterine cancer, the surgery to remove the cancer may result in the loss of the child’s life. In an ectopic pregnancy the child is developing outside the uterus.
There are other situations where an expectant mother has a serious or even terminal medical condition. Her pregnancy may cause complications, but will not cause her death. If she is receiving radiation therapy, she may be told that the child could have handicaps as a result.
There are also other medical reasons to have an abortion.
If a miscarriage is imminent, it may be safer to abort.
While it is a matter of choice in the case of some birth defects, for severe defects like trisomy 13 or Potter's syndrome, there is little chance of the baby surviving and the baby will suffer during it's short life.
Ectopics are found out long before they grow large and are not viable pregnancies to begin with. The baby simply cannot grow outside the uterus. If the mother had uterine cancer, she probably wouldn't be getting pregnant to begin with. Or any kind of cancer to begin with. For me, the choice would be easy, wait as long as possible before receiving any kind of tx for the cancer, it's not really that difficult to see what one should do in that situation. If the mother has a terminal medical condition, there is no way to predict the exact date of her death so when and if she dies while pg, the baby can then be removed.
Come on people, these are not really valid reasons.
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