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Old 09-06-2012, 07:44 AM
 
Location: NC
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I'm sure you have seen where states like Florida want to purge the deceased from their rolls so they do not get a ballot to start with. Will this cover every instance? Not likely, but it would make it harder.

Please explain why making it harder to commit voter fraud is a bad thing?
Didn't say it was a bad thing. I just haven't seen a single solution to stop the cases of rare voter fraud.

Imperson voter fraud is probably the most impractical thing to do anyways. Absentee or Insider methods are still the most common occurances (which btw are still very rare, our system works pretty well).

Another thing is the felon voting issue as voter ID doesn't stop that either. I have met people who are honestly sometimes clueless they can't vote if they got a felony. Maybe states need a more dynamic way to de-register someone once convicted?

Oh and if the ID is not free, I disagree with it. If an ID is required to vote, there must be a valid one that is free.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:02 AM
 
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Didn't say it was a bad thing. I just haven't seen a single solution to stop the cases of rare voter fraud.
If the dead are not on the rolls, they don't get an absentee ballot.

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Imperson voter fraud is probably the most impractical thing to do anyways. Absentee or Insider methods are still the most common occurances (which btw are still very rare, our system works pretty well).

Another thing is the felon voting issue as voter ID doesn't stop that either. I have met people who are honestly sometimes clueless they can't vote if they got a felony. Maybe states need a more dynamic way to de-register someone once convicted? Oh and if the ID is not free, I disagree with it. If an ID is required to vote, there must be a valid one that is free.
There is precedent after precedent after precedent where the courts have ruled that you can not require a voter I.D. unless the state provides one at no cost.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:03 AM
 
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While things like this are not likely to have a major impact on national elections, the threat of voter fraud becomes MUCH larger when it comes down to the state and especially local elections.

I agree that there should be voter ID requirements and that they should be free if someone doesn't have one. (ie. 90yo lady that doesn't drive etc etc.)
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Liberals will tell you it's a isolated incident.
Prove to me its not an isolated incident?
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:20 AM
 
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Prove to me its not an isolated incident?
Florence man arrested, charged with voter fraud - wistv.com - Columbia, South Carolina |

Raleigh man arrested in voter fraud sweep - Wake County - NewsObserver.com
(This link references 9 different cases)

Again, probably not enough to make a difference in a national election but it's a real threat at lower levels.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:55 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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lessadolla sowers

there's another one for the messed-up-names thread.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:22 AM
 
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Also, keep in mind people....the links I provided above shows both R's and D's that have been caught messing around with this stuff.

Additionally, this is just ONE way to try to tamper with elections. In recent years we had a R operative out east engage in robo-calling and jamming phone centers which got him prison time and in Wisconsin we had relatives of prominent D's get caught slashing the tires on Repub get out the vote vehicles the night before an election.

Anyone that isn't suspicious and aware of vote shennanigans in this country is either horribly ill-informed or hyper-partisan and hoping that the cheating provides more benefits to "thier side".
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Old 09-06-2012, 06:00 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Please explain how voter ID would stop absentee voter fraud?

still have to ID ones self.
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Old 09-06-2012, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Pa
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And the loudest complainers about voter ID laws keep getting caught.
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:55 AM
 
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Prove to me its not an isolated incident?
I'm shocked, shocked I say that you never came back to the thread after we did just this.
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