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How would you feel if a group of devil worshipers came to your church next Sunday and spouted off prayers to the devil as you made your way inside? It's a public sidewalk, just like the one at Planned Parenthood.
The fact that Planned Parenthood had to have escorts on hand to walk women in tells me that your little prayer group was doing a whole lot more than just praying. Even your "silently pleading with your eyes" was meant as an intimidation and yet you call that respectful? You don't see that as rude? You also don't have a clue why those women being escorted in were going to Planned Parenthood. They do a lot more than just abortions, a fact your kind doesn't seem to take into consideration when you try to intimidate.
It's a free country. The devil worshipers can do what they want.
Excuse me, but this PP has had escorts for a very long time, I'm pretty sure since before I was born, or shortly after. It wasn't because of my prayer group, it was becasue of the crazy pro-lifers. See there are the real pro-lifers who are peaceful and prayerful and then there are the crazy ones that scream "murderer" as women walk in and they are the ones who get all the publicity. That is very wrong, and I would never call someone going in a murderer.
Last time I checked looking someone in the eyes is polite. Or has that changed? It's not like I was glaring at the women, I looked at them. Trying to understand. Thinking about what I would do if I were in their positions. And if that's a bad thing, then I guess I'm bad, but I don't believe it is.
I know that they do more than that. But we were their praying for the women who were having abortions, and praying for the fetuses, not praying that the woman going in to get a pap. or a mammogram referral goes to hell. Give me a break.
Last time I checked looking someone in the eyes is polite. Or has that changed?
Kind of depends on the situation. In the situation where people are going to see medical care providers about personal issues withtheir lady parts, it's probably at the very least humiliating to those you are looking at.
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It's not like I was glaring at the women, I looked at them. Trying to understand. Thinking about what I would do if I were in their positions. And if that's a bad thing, then I guess I'm bad, but I don't believe it is.
Why don't you tell us what you would do if you were in their position? I will give you 3 scenarios and tell me what you would do.
1) You are a student working your fingers to the bone to get through college. You see getting your degree as the one chance to pull yourself out of the poverty you grew up in. Your social support networks are weak, because the people in them are in your same situation. You are still heartbroken from your recent breakup with the man you thought you might someday marry. You used birth control conscientiously, but you discovered after the breakup that you are pregnant. When you told him about it, he offered you some money to pay for an abortion.
2) You are 14 and were had sex with a much older guy at a party. He had been giving you drinks for a while and you do not remember clearly having sex with him, just waking up feeling horrible and realizing what had happened. You do not know the guy other than meeting him at that party. Your parents tell you that you will have an abortion and they would pay for it. If you continue with the pregnancy, your parents threaten to withdraw all support and kick you out of the house.
3) You are a teacher at a Christian school, which is affiliated with the church you grew up in. Your father has a leadership role at the church. There is a morality clause in your contract and you will be fired if you get pregnant outside of marriage. You are engaged and "slipped up" with your fiance and are now pregnant.
Personwhoisaperson, I'm sure you knew that your very serious post would attract an avalanche of lies, hatred, and mockery from all the usual suspects. You're handling it like a pro. I suggest cultivating a habit of not responding to abusive, fallacious, or content-free posts. I'm working on that myself.
Your church doesn't believe in birth control after marriage either but that doesn't stop a lot of Catholics from using it.
I know this. Just because everyone else does it doesn't make it right.
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You are a teenager and think you know whats right for everyone on the planet who isn't you. That isn't something to be real tolerant of, it's something you outgrow.
Well I'm glad that you have justified your intolerance. So because I'm a teenager, my believes are invalid? I'm not worthy of respect? Or tolerance? I know what is morally right and morally wrong, and if people chose to ignore what is morally right for what is morally wrong, I pray for them. I'm not saying I'm perfect but I try to go by the golden rule and I'd want someone to pray for me too.
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Originally Posted by Savoir Faire
The bible thumping freaks would say "She would never have contracted a disease if she wasn't having sex"
Glad I'm not one of those then. Praying for people doesn't make you a "bible thumping freak" it makes you religious.
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You ask people if they are having abortions? WOW...the fact that you feel you have a right to ask is amazing.
No not me, the counselors that were with our group.... Yes because there is this thing in this country call "freedom of speech" so yes they can ask, and the woman has the right to answer or ignore them. Point?
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Originally Posted by Joykins
I support birth control because I think the lack of it discourages sex within marriage. Also I think it is a great way to allow humans live sustainably and peacefully on this earth by controlling population through individual decisions about family size rather than relying on the old standards of famine, pestilence, and war. The second reason is more important than the first, but the first has been personally important to me.
My parents took birth control for the same reasons, and my mom is part of the 12%, hence my youngest sister. The second reason I don't agree with, but if that's what you believe, awesome for you.
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How would the OP feel if a group of atheists went to a Catholic Church to protest and started asking all the priests if they are pedophiles?? Would he preach about tolerance for the atheists?
Yes she would "preach" about tolerance for atheists. Free country. Gotta love it.
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Okay. So, a group of pro-lifers just asked them "are you here for an abortion?"
And, they answered "yes" to a group that they knew would make their decision all the more difficult by shaming and judging them?
So, considering that nationally, 3% of PP's provided services are abortion, what are the odds that there would be so many women coming in for abortions, whom were willing to admit to you that's what they were there for, for the duration of your rally?
I don't believe you. I'm sorry.
Okay. That's fine. No one said you had to.
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Well, again, your story comes across as implausible, and shows a total lack of knowledge at what Planned Parenthood actually does most of the time. Facts that you seem to ignore to play the "victim of intolerance" card.
Again, I know what they do.
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Yeah, I know. I was raised Catholic. You know how many of my former friends from church or from youth group ultimately went on to conceive out of wedlock? ... more than my non-Catholic friends.
Is this an indictment on Catholics in general? No. However, it highlights something: reality. This is a reality that was always here, it's just that once upon a time women were shamed into never talking about it, or marrying men that they didn't want to marry to cover it up.
You're entitled to your beliefs and I'll make no effort to sway you from them as it's not my right to do so; but it is my right, and I'm entitled to tell you that these beliefs are unrealistic, fantastical, naive, and antiquated.
And it's my right to tell you that I am secure enough in my "unrealistic, fantastical, naive, and antiquated" believes not to care what negative things you or anyone else says about my religion or beliefs.
Wow the tolerance on this thread is just..... completely nonexistent from people who spout the "Conservatives are intolerant!" BS. Thank you all for proving my point
I know that about 5 or 6 of them were there for abortions because the part of our group that was there for counseling asked them, and they answered yes. The rest i don't know.
You should no that that is a common rhetorical strategy among those who support Planned Parenthood. If asked by protesters if you are there for an abortion, then answer yes. There's no shame in answering yes and actually supports those who are in fact having an abortion. I've admitted to having a quite a few abortions, although have never had one.
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Originally Posted by personwhoisaperson
We oppose birth control because it encourages sex before marriage, and we, as Catholics, believe in abstinence, which, if you think about it, is birth control. And it's 100% effective.
Ugh, I can't believe you are Catholic. I hate the effect that evangelicals have had on some Catholics.
If you don't want to have sex before marriage, then don't. Of course, this increases the likelihood of a marrying young, which will undoubtedly bring nothing but joy and happiness.
There are a few points to me telling you all this:
1) Liberals/pro-choice people who spout tolerance, learn some.
2) When you see people praying, whether you are Atheist, Christian, Conservative or Liberal, show some respect and don't be rude.
3) People who are pro-life: I talk about this issue a lot and i have always been very pro-life but after this experience I realize that you have to do more than just talk about it, you have to try to help people.
Thanks for reading.
1.) I suppose you didn't learn that staying out of other people's business would be a way to show tolerance yourself.
2.) Praying may be your thing but it isn't mine. While I won't deride you for it, I also don't want your religion to be shoved in my face. Doing so is rather disrespectful.
3.) There is a difference between helping people and trying to shove your religious viewpoint down their throats.
In other words, you are so convinced that what you are doing is righteous that you completely overlook that it is rather offensive to others. What's worse, you take their reaction to your actions to be rude and intolerant. Well, duh.
Unbelievably, you seem to be rather proud of yourself for getting in the face of people who are doing something that is perfectly legal.
Ugh, I can't believe you are Catholic. I hate the effect that evangelicals have had on some Catholics.
For the lurkers who might be confused by this: abstinence before marriage is and has always been Catholic doctrine, and if the evangelicals believe it too, they have the Catholic Church to thank for it.
"2353 Fornication is carnal union between an unmarried man and an unmarried woman. It is gravely contrary to the dignity of persons and of human sexuality which is naturally ordered to the good of spouses and the generation and education of children. Moreover, it is a grave scandal when there is corruption of the young."
The "approved" Catholic form of birth control IS abstinence within marriage. It's pretty notorious for its typical use failure rate (25%).
Actually it's not abstinence its NFP.
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Originally Posted by Joykins
Kind of depends on the situation. In the situation where people are going to see medical care providers about personal issues withtheir lady parts, it's probably at the very least humiliating to those you are looking at.
Why don't you tell us what you would do if you were in their position? I will give you 3 scenarios and tell me what you would do.
1) You are a student working your fingers to the bone to get through college. You see getting your degree as the one chance to pull yourself out of the poverty you grew up in. Your social support networks are weak, because the people in them are in your same situation. You are still heartbroken from your recent breakup with the man you thought you might someday marry. You used birth control conscientiously, but you discovered after the breakup that you are pregnant. When you told him about it, he offered you some money to pay for an abortion.
2) You are 14 and were had sex with a much older guy at a party. He had been giving you drinks for a while and you do not remember clearly having sex with him, just waking up feeling horrible and realizing what had happened. You do not know the guy other than meeting him at that party. Your parents tell you that you will have an abortion and they would pay for it. If you continue with the pregnancy, your parents threaten to withdraw all support and kick you out of the house.
3) You are a teacher at a Christian school, which is affiliated with the church you grew up in. Your father has a leadership role at the church. There is a morality clause in your contract and you will be fired if you get pregnant outside of marriage. You are engaged and "slipped up" with your fiance and are now pregnant.
have fun...
1) I drop out, and take classes online. I tell the guy to shove the money up his %$$ and I have the baby and put him/her up for adoption.
2) I beg my parents not to kick me out and ask them to compromise by letting me give the child up for adoption. If they refuse I move out and find any family member who will support me until the end of the pregnancy. If I can't find anyone I go to a shelter until the end of the pregnancy and give the child up for adoption. I try to move on as best I can and get as much education as I can until I am old enough to get a job. (you my not believe it but this is really what I would do. I am willing to fight tooth and nail for what I believe in. Thank God my parents would never do that to me.)
3) I tell my fiance the truth and pray that he doesn't leave me. If he does, I come clean, loose my job and go get a job somewhere else. Depending on how much money and resources I have before I get the job and after, I make a decision to keep the child or put him/her up for adoption. Maybe find a couple in the church to adopt him/her (it's what my amazing ex-sister in law did.)
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The second reason I don't agree with, but if that's what you believe, awesome for you.
