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1.) I suppose you didn't learn that staying out of other people's business would be a way to show tolerance yourself.
2.) Praying may be your thing but it isn't mine. While I won't deride you for it, I also don't want your religion to be shoved in my face. Doing so is rather disrespectful.
3.) There is a difference between helping people and trying to shove your religious viewpoint down their throats.
In other words, you are so convinced that what you are doing is righteous that you completely overlook that it is rather offensive to others. What's worse, you take their reaction to your actions to be rude and intolerant. Well, duh.
Unbelievably, you seem to be rather proud of yourself for getting in the face of people who are doing something that is perfectly legal.
ding, ding.
I have taken an ex girlfriend to PP and I have taken a close friend of mine to PP because both of them did not have insurance and needed to see a doctor for their regular check up, which is something all women do or should do. A small percentage of what PP does is abortions, there are plenty of things that they do which has been great for women and people in general, it is a shame that people use their religion to punish those that are seeking medical needs without the financial backing to do so.
Also for the OP, I agree everyone should be respected for the religion the practice, this also goes both ways, no one likes it when someone forces their religion and beliefs onto others and then gets offended when people don't like that.
NFP is periodic abstinence. At the time in the month when the sexual drive is the highest, when you're sleeping all night next to the person you love. For those with short cycles, there are only a few non-fertile days you can make love when you're off your period and be "safe." Been there, done that, got the baby.
I counted 9 individual women and 3 groups of women that went in that day. Every time one would walk by I swallowed tears and bile and looked each woman in the eye, silently pleading for her to stop what she was doing. One woman as she walked by spat on us and 3 others called us names, giving the "escorts" a little chuckle.
I used Planned Parenthood for many years for my yearly health exam, Pap smear and to get my birth control pill prescription renewed. And had you been standing there on the sidewalk with tears in your eyes, I'd be really pissed at you also. And if you were actually crying, I'd really want to slap some sense into you and your whole group.
WTF is wrong with you and your types? All this melodrama and tears over people going into Planned Parenthood for reasonably priced health checkups and getting birth control so that they won't get pregnant. And nowhere in their waiting area or in the exam rooms are their staff suggesting women get abortions or to use abortions as a form of birth control.
If you really cared about the human condition, you'd all be volunteering in homeless shelters and trying to improve the quality of life for those who are really feeling pain and suffering, not some embryo or fetus that's about as developed as a sleeping baby salamander. Or join the Big Sister program and mentor a young person. Later on, you should foster children who have been pulled from abusive homes.
1) I drop out, and take classes online. I tell the guy to shove the money up his %$$ and I have the baby and put him/her up for adoption.
2) I beg my parents not to kick me out and ask them to compromise by letting me give the child up for adoption. If they refuse I move out and find any family member who will support me until the end of the pregnancy. If I can't find anyone I go to a shelter until the end of the pregnancy and give the child up for adoption. I try to move on as best I can and get as much education as I can until I am old enough to get a job. (you my not believe it but this is really what I would do. I am willing to fight tooth and nail for what I believe in. Thank God my parents would never do that to me.)
3) I tell my fiance the truth and pray that he doesn't leave me. If he does, I come clean, loose my job and go get a job somewhere else. Depending on how much money and resources I have before I get the job and after, I make a decision to keep the child or put him/her up for adoption. Maybe find a couple in the church to adopt him/her (it's what my amazing ex-sister in law did.)
I think you misunderstood scenario 3, where the fiance is the father...
OK, now roll a die for each scenario. If the roll is above 3, imagine you are a person with no real moral objection to abortion. Rethink what you would do.
I'm not confused in the least. I just don't judge others for what they choose to do. And Catholics use to have a quite dignity that differentiated them from fire-and-brimstone evangelicals who get off on telling people they are going to hell.
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"2353 Fornication is carnal union between an unmarried man and an unmarried woman. It is gravely contrary to the dignity of persons and of human sexuality which is naturally ordered to the good of spouses and the generation and education of children. Moreover, it is a grave scandal when there is corruption of the young."
Did you seriously just post that? Now we are going to have to listen to all the stuff about priests molesting children. Nice going.
This is truly a sad situation and one of the main reasons why abortion must remain legal and safe. I'd truly like to see the OP weigh in on this scenario and tell us how she would handle it if she were faced with a similar situation, knowing that one of the choices could easily leave her little girl without a mother and endanger her own life as well.
I'd guess a good number were there for abortion procedures. Saturday is frequently a big kill day.
I love this little ditty about this so-called women's healthare center ......
"During the abortion pill (medication abortion) visit, you must agree — before you start — that you will have an in-clinic abortion if the abortion pill does not work."
I wonder what they'd do if someone said no? Sue them?
1.) I suppose you didn't learn that staying out of other people's business would be a way to show tolerance yourself.
2.) Praying may be your thing but it isn't mine. While I won't deride you for it, I also don't want your religion to be shoved in my face. Doing so is rather disrespectful.
3.) There is a difference between helping people and trying to shove your religious viewpoint down their throats.
In other words, you are so convinced that what you are doing is righteous that you completely overlook that it is rather offensive to others. What's worse, you take their reaction to your actions to be rude and intolerant. Well, duh.
Unbelievably, you seem to be rather proud of yourself for getting in the face of people who are doing something that is perfectly legal.
1) Praying in public is not getting in anyone's business.
2) I have the right to pray wherever and whenever I want, the beauty of America! Praying in public is not "shoving it in your face".
3) Again, I was praying as were most of the people with me, not shoving anything down anyone's throat.
When did praying for people become the equivalent of flipping someone off? God its like an alternate universe!
I'd have the baby. I'd take care of the baby as long as he lived. Who am I to not let an innocent life be born?
It is very sad what she had to go through though.
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Also for the OP, I agree everyone should be respected for the religion the practice, this also goes both ways, no one likes it when someone forces their religion and beliefs onto others and then gets offended when people don't like that.
Again, when did praying for people in public become the equivalent of flipping someone off?
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Originally Posted by Joykins
NFP is periodic abstinence. At the time in the month when the sexual drive is the highest, when you're sleeping all night next to the person you love. For those with short cycles, there are only a few non-fertile days you can make love when you're off your period and be "safe." Been there, done that, got the baby.
I just never thought of it that way.
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I used Planned Parenthood for many years for my yearly health exam, Pap smear and to get my birth control pill prescription renewed. And had you been standing there on the sidewalk with tears in your eyes, I'd be really pissed at you also. And if you were actually crying, I'd really want to slap some sense into you and your whole group.
WTF is wrong with you and your types? All this melodrama and tears over people going into Planned Parenthood for reasonably priced health checkups and getting birth control so that they won't get pregnant. And nowhere in their waiting area or in the exam rooms are their staff suggesting women get abortions or to use abortions as a form of birth control.
If you really cared about the human condition, you'd all be volunteering in homeless shelters and trying to improve the quality of life for those who are really feeling pain and suffering, not some embryo or fetus that's about as developed as a sleeping baby salamander. Or join the Big Sister program and mentor a young person. Later on, you should foster children who have been pulled from abusive homes.
I wouldn't care.
That's not why and you know it. The tears are over the abortions.
I think you misunderstood scenario 3, where the fiance is the father...
OK, now roll a die for each scenario. If the roll is above 3, imagine you are a person with no real moral objection to abortion. Rethink what you would do.
Ooooooh okay. Well in that case shotgun wedding, and I'd come clean and lose my job and I'd decide with the father whether we'd keep the baby or put him/her up for adoption.
No moral objection?
1)get the abortion
2)get the abortion
3)discuss it with the father and come to a mutual decision
Because, I'm not gonna lie, its easier, but easier doesn't always mean better.
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I'm not confused in the least. I just don't judge others for what they choose to do. And Catholics use to have a quite dignity that differentiated them from fire-and-brimstone evangelicals who get off on telling people they are going to hell.
I cannot stand people like that. Not to mention, at least the ones that I know, are completely hypocritical.
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