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Semantics worthy of lawyers. It's like saying an annulment isn't a divorce.
Annulment isn't a divorce. It makes it so it never happened. Like magic hahaha
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And I'll tell you another thing. My niece had to carry her dead baby until nature took it's course or nearly killed her because of people like you guys. That's why she and he mother will forever be pro choice.
Yep its all our fault. So now we can control nature? Your argument is ridiculous.
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Lol corruption of the young. Clearly we can ignore anything the Catechism says seeing as Catholics are busy molesting the young, instead of just corrupting them.
The most corrupt, destructive institution in human history has absolutely no authority to tell anyone what to do or what's moral.
*grabs a bucket of popcorn* helenejen you so called that. lol!
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The escorts choose to be there to support women who have a legal right to the services at Planned Parenthood. The protesters are their to attempt to shame and judge those women.
Not all protesters. The ones who get the most publicity do attempt to shame and they do judge. Catholics take a different, more respectful approach and pray for the person. Just sayin.
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I don't care the reason why they are there, doesn't matter to me if God spoke to them in their dreams or if they are there because they hate women. The bottom line is if you go around harrassing working class women who are minding their own business, you will get no sympathy from me.
1st again, praying for those "working class women" in public is not harassing.
2nd no one wants your sympathy. The points of this thread are very clear in the OP, achieving your sympathy (or anyone elses) is not on the list!
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Tell that to the OP, who is complaining about other people exercising their first amendment. Let me guess, it's ok for the protesters to protest, but not ok for others to tell them to go to hell?? 1st amendment for some, and not for others
No what I'm saying is; it pisses me off when people come and say peaceful prayers and then are treated like &%$#. It's wrong. I'm not saying they can't do it, I'm saying they shouldn't.
Btw, I just wanted to point out how ironic your screen name is considering all abortion is, is waste. Hm.
Yep its all our fault. So now we can control nature? Your argument is ridiculous.
of course we can control nature in many cases: one method is called medical care. We can also divert streams, build dams, irrigate the desert, perform genetic engineering, and domesticate animals and plants.
It seems like the OP is a good, upstanding young person. I applaud her, that at her age she cares so deeply about the plight of the unborn ( and I'll bet she also cares about the born, before someone goes making a snarky comment about that!) .
I, as a Christian, care very deeply about this issue. It hits close to home as my own mother had an abortion as a younger girl, back when they were illegal. That had such a devestating effect on her....she still suffers emotionally over it. So, I see women as victims of abortion as much as babies.
But, I believe Christians have to rethink how they want to go about doing something to right the wrong being done. I do not believe carrying signs and protesting in front of a clinic is the best idea. I'm not sure that praying in front of a clinic is even the best idea. Will it really change minds? Does that really help the woman to see someone protesting, or will it serve to just harden her heart? What she needs is people to care about her, not judge her, and extend themselves to help her and her baby as much as they can.
I know that there are lots of crisis pregnancy centers out there. But, maybe churches should do better at forming outreach ministries in their churches to help girls and women in trouble, practically and financially, so that she can bear the burden of pregnancy better. Just some thoughts. I am praying about what I can do to really make a difference in this area. It breaks my heart, for the life that gets snuffed out, and for the mom who has to live with this horrible memory for the rest of her life.
It seems like the OP is a good, upstanding young person. I applaud her, that at her age she cares so deeply about the plight of the unborn ( and I'll bet she also cares about the born, before someone goes making a snarky comment about that!) .
I, as a Christian, care very deeply about this issue. It hits close to home as my own mother had an abortion as a younger girl, back when they were illegal. That had such a devestating effect on her....she still suffers emotionally over it. So, I see women as victims of abortion as much as babies.
But, I believe Christians have to rethink how they want to go about doing something to right the wrong being done. I do not believe carrying signs and protesting in front of a clinic is the best idea. I'm not sure that praying in front of a clinic is even the best idea. Will it really change minds? Does that really help the woman to see someone protesting, or will it serve to just harden her heart? What she needs is people to care about her, not judge her, and extend themselves to help her and her baby as much as they can.
I know that there are lots of crisis pregnancy centers out there. But, maybe churches should do better at forming outreach ministries in their churches to help girls and women in trouble, practically and financially, so that she can bear the burden of pregnancy better. Just some thoughts. I am praying about what I can do to really make a difference in this area.
Well said!!!!!! The answer is love and kindness not hate and judgment and your post makes exactly this point!!!!!
It's a free country. The devil worshipers can do what they want.
Excuse me, but this PP has had escorts for a very long time, I'm pretty sure since before I was born, or shortly after. It wasn't because of my prayer group, it was becasue of the crazy pro-lifers. See there are the real pro-lifers who are peaceful and prayerful and then there are the crazy ones that scream "murderer" as women walk in and they are the ones who get all the publicity. That is very wrong, and I would never call someone going in a murderer.
Last time I checked looking someone in the eyes is polite. Or has that changed? It's not like I was glaring at the women, I looked at them. Trying to understand. Thinking about what I would do if I were in their positions. And if that's a bad thing, then I guess I'm bad, but I don't believe it is.
I know that they do more than that. But we were their praying for the women who were having abortions, and praying for the fetuses, not praying that the woman going in to get a pap. or a mammogram referral goes to hell. Give me a break.
You think you were not glaring at them, okay, but trust me you were and each person who walked in or out felt your judgement of them and being religious you should know that judgement is NOT your job since you are a mere human. Find something else to do and leave people alone, also, I want to know exactly WHY YOU go to your doctor. Pap smear, mammogram, drug test, urinary tract infection? Something else maybe, but I want to know exactly because I know I won't ever and don't agree with your choice of lifestyle but I DO know it is MY RIGHT to know why you go to the doctor just because I don't agree with the way you live your life. you should be ashamed calling yourself Catholic or Christian or whatever it is and treating others so terribly. Remember
"Do unto others"?
There are a few points to me telling you all this:
1) Liberals/pro-choice people who spout tolerance, learn some.
2) When you see people praying, whether you are Atheist, Christian, Conservative or Liberal, show some respect and don't be rude.
3) People who are pro-life: I talk about this issue a lot and i have always been very pro-life but after this experience I realize that you have to do more than just talk about it, you have to try to help people.
Thanks for reading.
1) Don't put yourself in a position where you will be mocked.
2) Pray in private
3) Leave others alone! Jesus - did you ever stop to think about what those women wanted? Certainly not to be harassed as they entered PP for what was, in all likelihood, NOT an abortion. And what if they're atheists and don't believe in your religious dogma? Stop pushing your beliefs on others.
Are you guys trying to make it embarrassing to visit PP? For poor women to have access to health care?
You SHOULD be mocked. What a bunch of selfish jerks.
Absolutely agree But I do believe that praying helps.
Oh, I do too. But I just see praying outside of an abortion clinic as making a hard situation harder for the women involved. I just can't support it. And honestly I just can't see Jesus doing it. He'd more likely be one of the women going into the clinic in my opinion.
I know that there are lots of crisis pregnancy centers out there. But, maybe churches should do better at forming outreach ministries in their churches to help girls and women in trouble, practically and financially, so that she can bear the burden of pregnancy better. Just some thoughts. I am praying about what I can do to really make a difference in this area. It breaks my heart, for the life that gets snuffed out, and for the mom who has to live with this horrible memory for the rest of her life.
The best way to stop abortions is to create the kind of environment that women want to bring children into.
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