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Unlike You, I do not let radicals dictate reality to me. Use you brain or allow them to set the rules, you do seem comfortable with that. Clue; 99% of Muslims are not at war with Christianity and few Christians are at war with Islam, maybe they should pick a place where the two sects can have at it and leave the rest of humainty out of it
Libya was secular before america and other places were in support of the rebels now its a sharia law warzone thank your loud mouth politicians and allies
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Libya was secular before america and other places were in support of the rebels now its a sharia law warzone thank your loud mouth politicians and allies
May as well use what we learned how to do in Iraq, eh?
Read the First Amendment and realize the founders made NO provision for government to favor any religion. Belief may work for you in church, not so much in government.
Criminey, Burdell, read a little history that isn't post-1960s secularist propaganda.
The First Amendment was only passed because it protected the established churches in several states. We had legal, established churches in this country until 1833 - forty-six years after the Constitution was ratified - when Massachusetts disestablished the Congregationalists.
Another little tidbit. President Jefferson, who was not known as a friend of Catholicism, nevertheless authorized federal funds to support Catholic missionaries to the Indians in the newly acquired Louisiana Territory. That's Thomas "Separation of Church and State" Jefferson spending federal dollars to covert people to Christianity.
This was followed by the Indian Civilization Fund Act in 1819, under President Madison, which largely funded Protestant missionaries.
Maybe the First Amendment doesn't mean what you think it means.
The problem is that Hillary and Obama both thought all they had to do is snap their fingers, supply some terrorist groups with high powered weapons, encourage them to bring down their governments and Hillary and Obama would impose a democracy on these countries and go down in history books as saviors of the world.
They have no depth of understanding whatsoever why democracy has never existed in those nations. They have no understanding of those cultures, of the true nature of Islam. And they have no understanding of democracy or how it comes about.
They were so very very proud of their "Arab Spring" just a few months ago. Now look how many thousands of people are being killed.
They don't care. It's not about bringing peace and democracy, it's about western imperialism. Marching east - FORWARD
I'm happy I haven't spent my life with my head muddled up by religion. No matter what you think is going to happend to you when you die, life here is still going to be the same. We fight about WHAT HAPPENS AFTER WE DIE and ruin the lives we have now...can't think of anything stupider to be honest.
More likely they would be living together in peace, as most Christians did for 1000 years. Were there wars? Yes, there were wars now and then, but for most it was a time of peace and unity. Even in conflict they developed rules of civilized Christian warfare that we still try to honor today. Did the "enlightenment" usher in an age of peace? Are you kidding? Nevermind the atheistic bloodbaths of the 20th century. Ever hear of Robespierre? Napoleon? Bismark?
3/5th of Germany's population was wiped out during the wars of Religion and Christian differences were the justification for subjecting Ireland to 300 years of rape, murder and starvation. Furthermore they did not call it the Dark Ages because people were civilized, Christianity sought to do away with the centuries old traditions that had made Greece and Rome civilized and when they were successful the result was centuries of rule by illiterate chieftains who could not even read the very texts they sought to propagate. If anything I will take the enlightenment any day over the barbarism of the Dark ages.
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Protestants and Catholics sought to to convert those cultures, not destroy them, and the Catholics at least were successful due to the favor of God upon their labors. You will undoubtedly focus on the abuses rather than the successes, but that tells us more about you than it does about Christianity. Whatever was good and wholesome - or even harmless - in the pre-Christian cultures of Latin America remains today. However, the conquistadors had to break the back of the bloody, cruel, and inhuman paganism whose rituals centered on the worship of demons with an insatiable appetite for human sacrifices. And by doing so we all owe them a debt of gratitude.
Catholics and Protestants sought to utterly destroy the Civilizations of the New World. The Maya were the Ancient Greeks of the New World. They had sophisticated science, culture, arts and writings. The Catholics spend 150 years painstakingly trying to completely eradicate their culture. Only a few books survived. It was Barbarism of the highest order plain and simple. We owe the Conquistados no more graditude then we do the Huns and Goths. The fact that you can say that it was justified to enslave entire civilizations principally for silver mining and slaughter cities of hundreds of thousand of people like Tenochtitlan simply because they were Pagans is a demonstration of the barbarism people are capable of justifying in the name of Christianity egro why it is so depraved when left unchecked.
The only reasons the Catholics were successful was because of steel, horses and small pox.
You linked a picture of the French Revolution...This is what your version of Christianity would give us.
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