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Old 09-17-2012, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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US Foreign policy....when the leaders of countries are no longer useful to us then we need to "bring democracy" to them along with a new set of leaders useful to us.

Only lately it hasn't been going OUR WAY as these countries go more radical and extreme with even greater hatred for the US.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:44 AM
 
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US Foreign policy....when the leaders of countries are no longer useful to us then we need to "bring democracy" to them along with a new set of leaders useful to us.

Only lately it hasn't been going OUR WAY as these countries go more radical and extreme with even greater hatred for the US.
Again, you seem to be advocating for strong DICTATORSHIPS to keep "those people" in line. Your "foreign policy" would undoubtedly be very popular with strong, authoritarian and oppressive dictators. You want the U.S. to "install" such "leaders" to keep Americans happy?
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Yeah, I guess for the few lefties that despised Kennedy, he wasn't socialist/communist enough for 'em eh?

BTW, thanKs for making my point. EVERY issue you raise, and the precise manner that President Kennedy handled them, was/is an absolute success for REAL American democracy.
Vietnam was a "absolute success for REAL American democracy?" How so?
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Seriously sit down and think about it.

Some random moron makes some ****ty movie and some random group of radical morons in another country get pissy to the point where they decide to do what they do best and be uneducated morons and riot.

How is this Obama's fault? Do you honestly think a GOP president would have magically made all the radical muslims scared and run away? The issue of foreign policy failure is non-existant, the reason the situation is bad is because of issues going on within borders of those countries, not so much as our foreign policy towards them. (Most of the loonie right wingers here don't understand what foreign policy actually is anyways, so I might be wasting my time)

Anyways Obama has given statements of not tolerating and is currently undergoing cooperation with police forces in other countries and interpol to combat the issues going on. What else can he do? Send in the military? Oh wait we can't do that to sovereign countries at random because that is destructive foreign polcy.

Honestly all I see is whining, bitching and complaining about his foreign policy but what other options will the GOP present? Oh yeah, NOTHING! Because the majority have destructive, uneducated views on other countries and the functions of a globalized world.
The point being....he and his regime upheld and aided the downfall of the dictators we knew for the rise of religious dictators that we don't.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Obama's kiss up policies are unraveling. It wasn't the video.. that is an excuse.. the terrorists are out in full force..

Obama can't bring himself to realize the musliim terrorists hate this country and hate him too.. HIs ego must be wounded..Poor Barrack.. He thought by kissing up to them they would love us.. not so with the terrorists.. we are the infidels to them and their belief is we must be killed.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:55 AM
 
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Vietnam was a "absolute success for REAL American democracy?" How so?
Creeps like John Kerry who said our soldiers were barbarians and the anti-war hate toward our fighting men make the enemy stronger. It prolonged the war and the communist sympathizers are still here today.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Again, you seem to be advocating for strong DICTATORSHIPS to keep "those people" in line. Your "foreign policy" would undoubtedly be very popular with strong, authoritarian and oppressive dictators. You want the U.S. to "install" such "leaders" to keep Americans happy?
I'm not ADVOCATING anything. Our foreign policy has always been to put leaders in place for our usefulness. And when it comes to the ME it's all about the oil.

Those "oppressive dictators" that got disposed were put there by us or have you forgotten ?
Bin Laden was our friend at one point before he became our enemy or have you forgotten ?
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:22 AM
 
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Creeps like John Kerry who said our soldiers were barbarians and the anti-war hate toward our fighting men make the enemy stronger. It prolonged the war and the communist sympathizers are still here today.
This is a free country, which means people you consider to be "communist sympathizers" have every right to live here and speak out if they want. There were LOTS of people who were anti-war during Vietnam. It's not hard to find out why they were against the war either, but those who are just lazy and think that using the word "communist" will strike fear in the hearts of others, would never bother to be honest enough to learn about the real history of the Vietnam war. Maybe those who are uneducated and very "low information" voters will be alarmed by the word "communist," but hopefully there are not that many really dumb folks out there to vote that it would make a significant difference. Again, this is NOT CUBA. Just because certain things happened in CUBA, does not mean they will happen here. We are a LOT bigger than CUBA.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:29 AM
 
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I'm not ADVOCATING anything. Our foreign policy has always been to put leaders in place for our usefulness. And when it comes to the ME it's all about the oil.

Those "oppressive dictators" that got disposed were put there by us or have you forgotten ?
Bin Laden was our friend at one point before he became our enemy or have you forgotten ?
No, I haven't forgotten that we put the dictators in power. Nor have I forgotten that we supported Bin Laden at one time. Now I'd have to look up who the Presidents were when those things happened, but I have not forgotten.

HOWEVER, we have a different President now, and when the protests were taking place in the Arab Spring, it was clear that those people definitely did not want the dictators who were in power to continue to hold that power. It is good that the US has taken a different route and has actually tried to demonstrate its core values by NOT supporting those dictators any longer. Democracies take time to fully develop.

I'm fully aware that the ME is about oil.

Again, though, it certainly seems that you're saying that it would be to OUR benefit to have those dictators still in power because of our need for oil, to hell with the people who live in those countries and what they want. Do WE believe in freedom and democracy or not? Or do WE just believe in it for us and no one else?
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Hmm, how about not giving the Egyptian government an extra billion in foreign aid (which Obama wants to do) after their governing party, while condemning the violent protests on its English-language twitter, made a flat-out endorsement of them in Arabic?

That would be a good start.
Can you provide verification or a link to that in bold? What I understand is the protests were done by Al Qaeda. Al-Qaeda behind US Consulate attack: Libya - Hindustan Times

The Muslim Brotherhood, which is part of Egypt's government, condemns violence.
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