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God
It has often been seen on the Internet that to find God in the Constitution, all one has to do is read it, and see how often the Framers used the words "God," or "Creator," "Jesus," or "Lord." Except for one notable instance, however, none of these words ever appears in the Constitution, neither the original nor in any of the Amendments. The notable exception is found in the Signatory section, where the date is written thusly: "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven". The use of the word "Lord" here is not a religious reference, however. This was a common way of expressing the date, in both religious and secular contexts. This lack of any these words does not mean that the Framers were not spiritual people, any more than the use of the word Lord means that they were. What this lack of these words is expositive of is not a love for or disdain for religion, but the feeling that the new government should not involve itself in matters of religion. In fact, the original Constitution bars any religious test to hold any federal office in the United States.
First off you have to understand that United States of America came to existance as a result of rebellion against the British Empire that had state religion such as Anglikanism. King of England is nominally the head of the Anglican church.
It is understandable that United States could not prolong this position as is alos understandable that to many Pilgrims, Puritans, Quakers using the name of God outside of church was a blasphemy.
When reading historical documents it helps to put them in a historical perspective. Reading the Constitution from the perspective of XXI century man does not make any sense.
And what rights cannot be taken away? What specifically did God give us as rights?
None are actually guaranteed, if we keep electing tyrants, one day they will use government to usurp all our rights, albeit they will say it's all for the greater good of the socialist collective.
None are actually guaranteed, if we keep electing tyrants, one day they will use government to usurp all our rights, albeit they will say it's all for the greater good of the socialist collective.
Socialism > Theocracy which is what the American Taliban is trying to achieve.
I agree that secession must be legal--but only if the seceding states have the military wherewithal to back it up. Secession necessarily must come by force as it's the precedent in this country, anyway.
That being said, the Confederate States of America at the very least violated Article 1, Section 10. Yet, if they had the military power and wherewithal to back it up, then it would have been legal and then we'd probably be asking why there are several thousand independent nations on the American continent. Secession of some or a few would have led to further secessions and then secessions within the seceders, and on and on, and on.
oh really? then please tell me how west virginia seceded from virgnia?
Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2 of the US Constitution says that "The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State."
Therefore, it can be argued that since the State wanting to secede is "Territory or other Property belonging to the United States," they can only secede with congresional approval.
no not actually, since a state seceding can do so with the force of the Constitution and the 10th Amendment. if the state can force the military to leave them alone, then a state could in fact secede.
no not actually, since a state seceding can do so with the force of the Constitution and the 10th Amendment. if the state can force the military to leave them alone, then a state could in fact secede.
The Tenth Amendment only applies if the US Constitution does not give the power to the federal government. Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2 of the US Constitution says that only Congress has the power to determine "all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States", not the States. Therefore, the Tenth Amendment does not apply.
God
It has often been seen on the Internet that to find God in the Constitution, all one has to do is read it, and see how often the Framers used the words "God," or "Creator," "Jesus," or "Lord." Except for one notable instance, however, none of these words ever appears in the Constitution, neither the original nor in any of the Amendments. The notable exception is found in the Signatory section, where the date is written thusly: "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven". The use of the word "Lord" here is not a religious reference, however. This was a common way of expressing the date, in both religious and secular contexts. This lack of any these words does not mean that the Framers were not spiritual people, any more than the use of the word Lord means that they were. What this lack of these words is expositive of is not a love for or disdain for religion, but the feeling that the new government should not involve itself in matters of religion. In fact, the original Constitution bars any religious test to hold any federal office in the United States.
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Get off their backs. You can worship ducks for all it matters. As long as you can run the country, who cares.
PS. Look up the founding fathers. One cut up the New Testament with a razor and made his own version, 'cuz it was "totally wrong" and hey, deism. In other words, Jesis was just a regular man, not the Son of God.
I love it when people say let's get back to the founding father's version of the USA. They have no idea what they are actually asking for.
Literally laughed when I read this...
"The notable exception is found in the Signatory section, where the date is written thusly: "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven". The use of the word "Lord" here is not a religious reference, however. This was a common way of expressing the date, in both religious and secular contexts."
Was that word used because the writer and all the signers were Atheists who used it to indicate a guy who lived in Jesus' neighborhood and happened to be born the same year?
Did the Founders also attend Christian religious services for the purpose of keeping up the ruse?
For your information, "God" is not mentioned in the Constitution because by 1789 the Founders had already agreed that the federal government the states were creating would at all times keep its nose out of the church's affairs...as in, "Congress shall make no law".
Notice it doesn't say "and the church shall" or "the people shall".
That's because the church and the people are free to do as they please.
That you would try to argue that "Lord" to the founders meant anyone except Jesus is hysterical!
"The notable exception is found in the Signatory section, where the date is written thusly: "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven". The use of the word "Lord" here is not a religious reference, however. This was a common way of expressing the date, in both religious and secular contexts."
Was that word used because the writer and all the signers were Atheists who used it to indicate a guy who lived in Jesus' neighborhood and happened to be born the same year?
Did the Founders also attend Christian religious services for the purpose of keeping up the ruse?
For your information, "God" is not mentioned in the Constitution because by 1789 the Founders had already agreed that the federal government the states were creating would at all times keep its nose out of the church's affairs...as in, "Congress shall make no law".
Notice it doesn't say "and the church shall" or "the people shall".
That's because the church and the people are free to do as they please.
That you would try to argue that "Lord" to the founders meant anyone except Jesus is hysterical!
That word was used because it is part of the Gregorian Calendar, which is still used today by atheists and other religions besides Christianity. The Christian Pope Gregory XIII reformed the Julian Calendar and dictated by decree on February 24, 1582, that everyone would use his calendar. Anyone who thinks the Gregorian Calendar holds any religious significance cannot be taken seriously.
While what you say about "Congress shall make no law..." is very true, after the addition of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868 the Supreme Court held that the States are also bound by the same restrictions as imposed upon Congress with regard to the First Amendment.
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