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Old 10-30-2012, 07:28 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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when it comes to other nations around the globe. There is a HUGE opportunity to help reduce deficits by reducing the costs of the American military providing FREE (free to other nations' taxpayers, expensive to US taxpayers) regional security to them. Neocons WANT to provide this free regional security, ie want Americans to pay, which is why they want domestic programs cut- to free up money to pay, why Paul Ryan was silenced on cutting Pentagon waste, and why Republicans can't stand the conservative Ron Paul.

This CNN article expresses the point plainly (Romney's other 47% problem):

Forty-seven percent is also roughly the U.S. share of global military spending. Our annual $700 billion-plus military budget exceeds the next 10 biggest military budgets combined. Much of that money buys forces needed to defend allies against threats they could afford to meet themselves. Alliances that once served the U.S. national interest have become a subsidy to rich allies.

In a recent foreign policy speech, Romney noted that only three of the 28 NATO allies meet their commitment to spend 2% of their GDP on defense. He promises to fix that by asking our allies to honor their commitment to security spending.

But the Europeans have grown adept at keeping a straight face while ignoring such lectures.

Personal responsibility dictates that nations pick up their OWN tab for their OWN security. But Republicans are happy to continuing to have Americans pay for it, they have been happy to for decades. This is why Romney is asking for $2 trillion more from American taxpayers, and that won't be the final "ask" either. Republicans talk a big game about AMERICANS not taking personal responsibility and being depending on US government, and even Romney himself said as much, but they have been all for other nations not taking personal responsibility and being dependent on US government for their security. He wants to reduce the size of domestic government so that US citizens get less from US government while at the same time INCREASING the size of military-related government so that international citizens get more from US government. Republicans don't really value personal responsibility- they just want US citizens to get less in handouts from America so citizens of other nations can get more in handouts from America.
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:47 AM
 
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I agree that this is a problem that needs addressed and Romney isn't about to but as we saw, neither are the Dems.

If this really concerned you, you would do like I and pick neither Obama or Romney.
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:50 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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It does concern me, and I know that a Democrat, although he would not get it done like Ron Paul would, would be far better than a Republican. Ron Paul would make it happen. Obama would slowly ease it down. Romney would increase it, by $2 trillion now and by even more later.
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:56 AM
 
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How about we get a bunch of people off welfare and these people can learn personal responsibility. We spend way too much money on welfare and it increased 32% on Obama's watch. Teaching people personal responsibility and lets see if their tune changes when they have to work to pay for other people.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:04 AM
 
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when it comes to other nations around the globe. There is a HUGE opportunity to help reduce deficits by reducing the costs of the American military providing FREE (free to other nations' taxpayers, expensive to US taxpayers) regional security to them. Neocons WANT to provide this free regional security, ie want Americans to pay, which is why they want domestic programs cut- to free up money to pay, why Paul Ryan was silenced on cutting Pentagon waste, and why Republicans can't stand the conservative Ron Paul.

This CNN article expresses the point plainly (Romney's other 47% problem):

Forty-seven percent is also roughly the U.S. share of global military spending. Our annual $700 billion-plus military budget exceeds the next 10 biggest military budgets combined. Much of that money buys forces needed to defend allies against threats they could afford to meet themselves. Alliances that once served the U.S. national interest have become a subsidy to rich allies.

In a recent foreign policy speech, Romney noted that only three of the 28 NATO allies meet their commitment to spend 2% of their GDP on defense. He promises to fix that by asking our allies to honor their commitment to security spending.

But the Europeans have grown adept at keeping a straight face while ignoring such lectures.

Personal responsibility dictates that nations pick up their OWN tab for their OWN security. But Republicans are happy to continuing to have Americans pay for it, they have been happy to for decades. This is why Romney is asking for $2 trillion more from American taxpayers, and that won't be the final "ask" either. Republicans talk a big game about AMERICANS not taking personal responsibility and being depending on US government, and even Romney himself said as much, but they have been all for other nations not taking personal responsibility and being dependent on US government for their security. He wants to reduce the size of domestic government so that US citizens get less from US government while at the same time INCREASING the size of military-related government so that international citizens get more from US government. Republicans don't really value personal responsibility- they just want US citizens to get less in handouts from America so citizens of other nations can get more in handouts from America.

I think most of us on the Right would agree.

Here is my solution
Bring our troops home from Afghanistan to guard the borders.

When they catch an illegal immigrant crossing the Border, hand him a canteen, rifle and some ammo and ship him to Afghanistan.

Tell him if he wants to come to AMERICA then he must serve a tour in OUR military.

Give him a soldier's pay while he's there and tax him on it.

After his tour, he will be allowed to become a citizen since he defended this country.
He will also be registered to be taxed and be a legal resident.
This option will probably deter illegal immigration and provide a solution for the troops in Afghanistan and the aliens trying to make a better life for themselves.

If they refuse to serve, ship them to Afghanistan anyway, without the canteen, rifle or ammo.

Problem solved.

If you want my solution to save gas, just ask
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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It does concern me, and I know that a Democrat, although he would not get it done like Ron Paul would, would be far better than a Republican. Ron Paul would make it happen. Obama would slowly ease it down. Romney would increase it, by $2 trillion now and by even more later.
Ron Paul would not have gotten it done either, it takes the congress as well and they would never have worked with him. Why do you think he got so little accomplished with all his years in the house? Besides what Ron Paul would or would not have done is moot point. He is now, as of Jan officially out of office and probably politics period..

Nita
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:19 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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It does concern me, and I know that a Democrat, although he would not get it done like Ron Paul would, would be far better than a Republican. Ron Paul would make it happen. Obama would slowly ease it down. Romney would increase it, by $2 trillion now and by even more later.
The one good thing that Obama has now done to stop this rediculous attitude that America is the Policeman of the world is to make sure that the rest of the World steps up to the plate when there is a uprising etc etc.
Lybia was a great example of this............ we did not lose a single miltary man or women in the uprising.
Iran is now suffering badly because of huge sanctions on them by the USA and Europe.
America is NOT ging to go into Syria alone......... The rest of the World has just as much responsibilty to help in stopping the killings of civilians in Syria.... NOT just the USA.
Our hard earned Tax Dollars are now rebuilding Iraq and will be used to rebuild Afghanistan and secure their borders etc. OUR ta dollars should be rebuilding America and securing OUR borders. OUR guys and girls in the military should be here protecting OUR borders and protecting us.... NOT protecting people who hate us. Ron Paul was so right when he said that the hatred against us is mainly because we try to push our ideals on foreign Countries.
The WORLD is a WORLD problem and for the WORLD to solve.......... NOT the USA at the expense of the USA and it's Citizens.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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We have more than 1000 military bases in the world. 268 of them are in Germany.

Bring the troops homes and put them in the inner- city war zones.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:20 AM
 
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We have more than 1000 military bases in the world. 268 of them are in Germany.

Bring the troops homes and put them in the inner- city war zones.
I don't think our Mil makes for good police. We tried that idea for the War on Drugs, and the lefties didn't like what happened.

That was we stopped some boats loaded with drugs, and pumped them full of machine gun rounds and the boats sank with the drugs and the people on the boats too.

I didn't see any problem myself, but the left did.

Maybe anyone in the inner city who gets convicted of crimes should serve in the Mil over in Afghanistan like the illegals i mentioned should.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:27 AM
 
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when it comes to other nations around the globe. There is a HUGE opportunity to help reduce deficits by reducing the costs of the American military providing FREE (free to other nations' taxpayers, expensive to US taxpayers) regional security to them. Neocons WANT to provide this free regional security, ie want Americans to pay, which is why they want domestic programs cut- to free up money to pay, why Paul Ryan was silenced on cutting Pentagon waste, and why Republicans can't stand the conservative Ron Paul.

This CNN article expresses the point plainly (Romney's other 47% problem):

Forty-seven percent is also roughly the U.S. share of global military spending. Our annual $700 billion-plus military budget exceeds the next 10 biggest military budgets combined. Much of that money buys forces needed to defend allies against threats they could afford to meet themselves. Alliances that once served the U.S. national interest have become a subsidy to rich allies.

In a recent foreign policy speech, Romney noted that only three of the 28 NATO allies meet their commitment to spend 2% of their GDP on defense. He promises to fix that by asking our allies to honor their commitment to security spending.

But the Europeans have grown adept at keeping a straight face while ignoring such lectures.

Personal responsibility dictates that nations pick up their OWN tab for their OWN security. But Republicans are happy to continuing to have Americans pay for it, they have been happy to for decades. This is why Romney is asking for $2 trillion more from American taxpayers, and that won't be the final "ask" either. Republicans talk a big game about AMERICANS not taking personal responsibility and being depending on US government, and even Romney himself said as much, but they have been all for other nations not taking personal responsibility and being dependent on US government for their security. He wants to reduce the size of domestic government so that US citizens get less from US government while at the same time INCREASING the size of military-related government so that international citizens get more from US government. Republicans don't really value personal responsibility- they just want US citizens to get less in handouts from America so citizens of other nations can get more in handouts from America.
I wish people like you would learn economics....

Compare how much America spends on defense as a percent of GDP.....

And how many other countries do you know deploy their military like America does when a natural catastrophe strikes somewhere in the world?
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