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OICU812- NDAA is totally different than Bush's enemy combatant claim. NDAA deals with the military detaining combatants captured on foreign soil. NDAA specifically states that its provisions do not "affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States." The Bush Administration argued all the way to the Supreme Court that they had the power of indefinite detention of anyone on U.S. soil, including citizens.
And the Bush administration was correct. The Fifth Amendment states:
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger;..."
That exception within the Fifth Amendment is the reason why Jose Padilla was held for six years without being charged with a crime, even though he was a US citizen on US soil. Like it or not, as long as Public Law 107-40 remains in effect, the US is in a State of War.
dictator: 1. a person exercising absolute power, especially a ruler who has absolute, unrestricted control in a government without hereditary succession.
I will tell you when a president ignores the federal laws against illegal immigration and one of our states that belongs to our union, one of our states stands up for that law and the president of our United States sues that state for trying to fulfill that law.. that is a dictator. Plus having the president of Mexico go before OUR congress addressing one of our states that belongs to our United States and that president chastised that state specifically the State of Arizona who just had another border agent shot dead and one wounded, the democrats who are put in office for the AMERICA PEOPLE SPECIFICALLY , to uphold our laws who make the laws, applaud that Mexican president it is WRONG.Obama is no longer OUR president , he is someone who is not looking out for OUR UNITED STATES.
You people are all so out in left field that it's sad. Dictators are not elected and put up for reelection in free and fair elections. Obama was. And Obama will be reelected in one unless a miracle happens for Romney (or an even bigger miracle for my choice Gary Johnson).
The whole "Obama is a dictator" nonsense is cut from the same racist cloth as the "Obama is a Muslim", "Obama is a Terrorist", "Obama didn't really graduate college" and the rest of that BS.
If you people were so concerned with dictatorship, where the F were you during the USA PATRIOT Act nonsense, the post-9/11 removal of rights and the rest of that stuff? Oh yeah, it was a white man doing it, so you were okay with it.
If Obama was a dictator, don't you think he would have just ignored the GOP and just decreed everything? Seriously, you people need help.
I will tell you when a president ignores the federal laws against illegal immigration and one of our states that belongs to our union, one of our states stands up for that law and the president of our United States sues that state for trying to fulfill that law.. that is a dictator. Plus having the president of Mexico go before OUR congress addressing one of our states that belongs to our United States and that president chastised that state specifically the State of Arizona who just had another border agent shot dead and one wounded, the democrats who are put in office for the AMERICA PEOPLE SPECIFICALLY , to uphold our laws who make the laws, applaud that Mexican president it is WRONG.Obama is no longer OUR president , he is someone who is not looking out for OUR UNITED STATES.
Despite your gratuitous emphasis, I don't see how what you've written makes him a dictator. This is not a thread about what actions he's taken that you agree or disagree with.
Despite your gratuitous emphasis, I don't see how what you've written makes him a dictator. This is not a thread about what actions he's taken that you agree or disagree with.
Obama is sworn in as OUR PRESIDENT.. he is to serve us , NOT MEXICO or the ILLEGALS.
Be that as it may, how does your presumed kow-towing to Mexicans make him a dictator? I mean, by the actual meaning of the word?
That is only one thing Obama has done to become the dictator in chief.. his mandate is a dictate to the people to buy a service which is against our Constitution..
I also believe that Obama is such a dictator I would not put it past him to pick the most timid of the justices.. Justice Roberts to strong arm him to change his mind on the mandate. Justice Roberts own writings tell of a man who was against Obamacare as a mandate only to change his writings with an absurd ruling calling it a tax.
Obama will get his agenda done whether the people want it or not.. It is Obama Nation or nothing. Even the socialist supporting media is pushing Obama on the people.. little do they know what will happen in 2014 when the mandate will be implemented. More monies poured into healthcare, more in the gas tank, more on the food bill and the economy will die a slow death.
That is only one thing Obama has done to become the dictator in chief.. his mandate is a dictate to the people to buy a service which is against our Constitution..
I also believe that Obama is such a dictator I would not put it past him to pick the most timid of the justices.. Justice Roberts to strong arm him to change his mind on the mandate. Justice Roberts own writings tell of a man who was against Obamacare as a mandate only to change his writings with an absurd ruling calling it a tax.
Obama will get his agenda done whether the people want it or not.. It is Obama Nation or nothing. Even the socialist supporting media is pushing Obama on the people.. little do they know what will happen in 2014 when the mandate will be implemented. More monies poured into healthcare, more in the gas tank, more on the food bill and the economy will die a slow death.
Ok, now I think we've slipped into the realm of right-wing conspiracy. I thought you had actual examples. Silly me.
You people are all so out in left field that it's sad. Dictators are not elected and put up for reelection in free and fair elections. Obama was. And Obama will be reelected in one unless a miracle happens for Romney (or an even bigger miracle for my choice Gary Johnson).
The whole "Obama is a dictator" nonsense is cut from the same racist cloth as the "Obama is a Muslim", "Obama is a Terrorist", "Obama didn't really graduate college" and the rest of that BS.
Nobody elected Obama to create new laws by decree. That is the job of Congress, not Presidents.
Obama was elected to abide by the US Constitution, not to do whatever he pleased.
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Originally Posted by ThinkBeforeYouVote
If you people were so concerned with dictatorship, where the F were you during the USA PATRIOT Act nonsense, the post-9/11 removal of rights and the rest of that stuff? Oh yeah, it was a white man doing it, so you were okay with it.
I supported the USAPATRIOT Act, and still do. First, it is an act passed by a bipartisan Congress, not a law created by a President. Second, there is nothing unconstitutional with the USAPATRIOT Act.
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Originally Posted by ThinkBeforeYouVote
If Obama was a dictator, don't you think he would have just ignored the GOP and just decreed everything? Seriously, you people need help.
Give me a break.
What do you think he has been doing? Obama has completely ignored Congress (Democrats and Republicans alike) and the courts. You communists may enjoy living under a distatorship, but free people do not.
Bush and Cheney tried to institute a policy which would have allowed the President to designate U.S. citizens as "enemy combatants" without any justification or accountability, imprison them indefinitely without charging them with a crime, or even allow them access to a lawyer. That is the very definition of a dictator.
Soooo... since Obama ACTUALLY signed it into law, that makes him ACTUALLY a dictator, where as Bush and Cheney just wanted to be one?
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