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Old 10-15-2012, 02:50 PM
 
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Who pays for older people to do what? Thats what medicare is for..

I didnt have a problem with it either, most people only need catastrophic care, but thanks to Obamacare, I'll have no insurance next year.
I understand that is what Medicare is for. So you are okay with people paying taxes (e.g. Payroll Tax) to fund it?
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Old 10-15-2012, 02:51 PM
 
Location: The Nanny State of MD
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I know one couple, with one child, 3 single males and about 7 single women with no HI.
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Old 10-15-2012, 02:52 PM
 
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The numbers are low. I had hip surgery last December, less than a year ago. The hospital bill alone was $76K for three days (including OR services). I don't know how many people have that kind of money lying around in a shoebox, or even in some sort of investment where they can get at it in short order.

I work in a dr's office (pediatrics). We get patients with no ins. Some are uninsured b/c they are of modest means and don't have employer sponsored ins, some have made a choice not to be insured. Some of our docs won't give discounts to those who have simply chosen to "go bare". We do try to help the others. One thing I have noticed is that many w/o ins. do not want to bring their kids in, even when we recommend it.
The numbers are NOT low.. $300 a month x 12 months in a year x 10 years = $36,000 + interest. And since these trusts invest in receivables, that bring in cash, In 10 years you'll have $50K saved up + about $25K in assets.. With $50K catastrophic care, the insurance company would pickup $26K of your bill, and you'd have the balance and you'd still have $25K extra.

Most people dont need day to day care. Its beyond stupid to pay $300 a month to cover your $100 a year routine doctor visits..
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Old 10-15-2012, 02:54 PM
 
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I understand that is what Medicare is for. So you are okay with people paying taxes (e.g. Payroll Tax) to fund it?
Why wouldnt I?
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Old 10-15-2012, 02:56 PM
 
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Why wouldnt I?
I don't know? A lot of people on here seem to have a problem with taxpayer funded health care and with the idea that you are required to pay those taxes. Many seem to feel that they should not have to pay for others.
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Old 10-15-2012, 02:58 PM
 
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I don't know? A lot of people on here seem to have a problem with taxpayer funded health care and with the idea that you are required to pay those taxes. Many seem to feel that they should not have to pay for others.
No, most people have a problem with 100% government healthcare, not a safety net for those who are too poor.

There is a huge difference.
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:03 PM
 
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I don't have any. My husband's insurance through his employer is just pathetic & useless ( basically it covers roughly 20-50% of hospitalization, ER, doctor visits,tests....really???) , and since it is of no help at all, we recently cancelled it. We just couldn't afford the monthly cost since I don't work in order to be here for our child with cerebral palsy. I remember the days as a single mom when I paid $5 a paycheck for myself and my 2 children, with excellant coverage... ahhh, the good ol' Clinton days.
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:14 PM
 
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is it the responsibility of your aunt and older brother's next door neighbors to provide for their health insurance?
if you say no, then how can you expect the goverment to provide for their health insurance?

there is no responsibility of goverment to provide for health insurance, none at all.
I personally do see it as a responsibility of all citizens to provide for the general welfare of all. I don't expect the government to provide for my aunt's care or my the system is set up currently.

But as an independent who leans left, my left lean is healthcare. I feel all Americans should have free healthcare, at least a B level, which was mentioned by another poster and an option to pay to upgrade that service but that everyone should have an equal playing field when it comes to healthcare in this country.

My aunt who makes $11K per year is a hard worker. As is my brother. I don't feel healthcare should depend on whether or not you have a job or how much money you make. I don't put a dollar value on life or health, which is the major difference that we must share. For me it is not about responsibility in regards to finances, it is about making sure my fellow Americans are healthy and can be productive citizens of this country. To me, healthcare (and education as those are both my left issue, though I support school choice, which is more right leaning) are equalizers in our society. One cannot complain about a lack of anything when they are educated and are in good health. If they have both of these items, then they can go out and do what needs to be done to secure material possessions, whatever quality of life they want to have, and adequate housing. But that is just my opinion.

I take the "general welfare" to mean that, the welfare of the citizens of this country. People cannot have a stable general welfare without adequate access to healthcare.
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:19 PM
 
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I take the "general welfare" to mean that, the welfare of the citizens of this country. People cannot have a stable general welfare without adequate access to healthcare.
Then you seriously need to re-read the Constitution, because the general welfare equates to the general interest of the GOVERNMENT, not the people.
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Old 10-15-2012, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yup - stage IV lymphoma at 23 here. The only thing I could have done to prevent it is avoiding coming in contact with someone with mono in elementary school. How dare I want to live when I put myself at risk! I should also note that there is absolutely no history of cancer in my family. One great aunt had colon cancer in her 80s, another half-great aunt had cervical cancer in her 50s. If I was to put money on it, I would never have been someone to get cancer EVER, much less at 23.
oh please

stage 4 mean it has spead, and is TERMINAL
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