Should a man have a say so, when it comes Abortions? (insurance, cost)
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Woman Opt-out
If a woman wants to abort a child she should be able to do so.
Man Opt-out
If a man does not want a child there should be a limited period (one - two months from conception) when a man should be able to say so. After this he is out of the picture, a woman cannot go after him for any child related reasons whatsoever (financial, emotional etc.).
Consensus
If both want to have this child kudos to them. Go ahead, and be happy.
Note: abort up to 3 -4 months into pregnancy. No partial-birth abortions.
what part of what I posted did you not understand? the man is as much responsible as the woman.
Why is the onus always on the woman? A man has a voice as well. If he knew that he didn't have protection, then he should have said no.
she could have been on the pill, and it didn't work properly. she could have had an IUD that failed. Or her diaphragm could have moved. Still doesn't absolve the man of 50% of the responsibility.
Woman Opt-out
If a woman wants to abort a child she should be able to do so.
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Man Opt-out
If a man does not want a child there should be a limited period (one - two months from conception) when a man should be able to say so. After this he is out of the picture, a woman cannot go after him for any child related reasons whatsoever (financial, emotional etc.).
A man is responsible for that child if the woman decides to not have an abortion up until that child is 18 years old. HE absolutely has no say if she decides to have an abortion.
what part of what I posted did you not understand? the man is as much responsible as the woman.
Why is the onus always on the woman? A man has a voice as well. If he knew that he didn't have protection, then he should have said no.
she could have been on the pill, and it didn't work properly. she could have had an IUD that failed. Or her diaphragm could have moved. Still doesn't absolve the man of 50% of the responsibility.
What part do you not understand of my post. He is not as much as responsible because he doesn't have a voice in the matter. It's unfair to let her have the choice and still go after him. He is literally at the mercy of the system. She could have closed her legs as well. He could have had a condom that broke or failed.
That's pathetic, saying the man has 50% of the responsibility yet he has 0% of a voice. You can't your cake and eat it too. If he has no say during the pregnancy process then she has no right to after him after the baby is born. SHE wanted to give birth so SHE can take care of it. She knew beforehand that he would take no part in the child's life yet she gave birth anyway. She has no right to force the man to take a part in the child's life.
Then you want to let him go after the child turns 18. Hell, you might as well force him to be in the child's life until the child dies.
Women are not always victims of unwilling fathers here. There are cases when women during ovulation go after particular men specifically wanting to get pregnant from them, and then keep men hostage after one night stand. Even more bizarre case when a woman had oral sex, got sperm into her mouth, went into a bathroom, impregnated herself with the semen, and managed to claim child support....
Women are not always victims of unwilling fathers here. There are cases when women during ovulation go after particular men specifically wanting to get pregnant from them, and then keep men hostage after one night stand. Even more bizarre case when a woman had oral sex, got sperm into her mouth, went into a bathroom, impregnated herself with the semen, and managed to claim child support....
wow, you really believe this nonsense?
and your last statement, you really are ignorant on how women can get pregnant.
Women are not always victims of unwilling fathers here. There are cases when women during ovulation go after particular men specifically wanting to get pregnant from them, and then keep men hostage after one night stand. Even more bizarre case when a woman had oral sex, got sperm into her mouth, went into a bathroom, impregnated herself with the semen, and managed to claim child support....
the woman that "traps" a man. if a man does not want to become a father he should not have unprotected sex. period. end of story. a man can not be "trapped" your bizarre case if true would be a one in a billion.
your post repeated what I stated. You apparently didn't understand it.
HE did have a choice. NOT TO have unprotected sex with a woman HE should have talked to about on her views about children and abortion.
Once he commits to having sex, without protection, he is 50% responsible for everything that happens if the woman gets pregnant.
If she chooses to go through the pregnancy, you bet that he is responsible for that child until he/she is 18 years of age.
If he didn't want to be responsible for a child, then he had the OPTION to say no. His "responsibility" would have ended right there.
No it isn't. HE chose to have unprotected sex, that is his problem. If he didn't then he should have said NO or put a sock on his joystick.
he should have said NO or put a sock on his joystick.
I'm sorry, but we live in the USA, where slavery was outlawed nearly over 150 years ago.
he should have said NO or put a sock on his joystick.
Your argument is archaic as I already addressed what if the condom broke so no it isn't fair. No the man has every right to opt out if she gives birth. The woman has every right to having the sole choice when it comes to the fate of the fetus. The man also has the right to make it known to the woman whether he intends to help support the child if it's his and she carries it to term in order for her to know beforehand to help make the decision. If the man officially declares that he won't then she can't go after him if chooses to give birth because she had prior knowledge of his choice. The family court system is flawed and archaic and a laughing stock around the world.
Your argument (of just saying no or using a condom) is easily countered by saying the woman should have left her legs closed and that the condom could have broke. Using pre-sex measures is not the same as the same as post-sex as it is equal in the former and not the latter, so the system needs to artificially equalize it and giving the man option is equal. The woman can make a thought out decision knowing the what the man's intentions are. Any real arguments to actually refute my points? BTW, slavery didn't end but it was reformed. I guess you're too blind to notice that though.
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if a man does not want to become a father he should not have unprotected sex. period. end of story. a man can not be "trapped" your bizarre case if true would be a one in a billion. 
