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Old 11-07-2012, 11:31 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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The fiscal cliff, everything. Could be a pyrrhic victory for him.
So does this mean you are rooting for him to fail?
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:52 AM
 
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I don't see that Obama has a relationship with republicans i the house and senate to get a compromise really. Its goig to come form teh senate fiance committee and take alot of arm twsiting by both leadership neiher of wehich is really going to like it. IMO;its goig to be very close to Bowles /Simpson but unlikely solved by January as the election left things i same state;really as far as power.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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Obama doesn't even consult the senate anymore.
You mean the Senate where the GOP said from day 1 that they would obstruct everything - scorch the Earth rather than work for the American people? And that's what they did - historic obstruction.



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He has his czars in place and exec orders at the ready for what he wants done
Oh well, good wingnut, dropping the "czar" word. Yes these would be the same czars that the Bushes had. Next lame excuse, go...
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:22 PM
 
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He will come out for a new stimulus plan, 1 trillion plus, and if the GOP says no, he will just ram it down their throats. After four more years of this he still won't get any blame and fly off to Hawaii laughing.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:27 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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I actually agree with this. These final four years will cement his legacy.
Yep. One way or the other.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:28 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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So does this mean you are rooting for him to fail?
I'm praying that he fails at implementing his own destructive policies.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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I'm praying that he fails at implementing his own destructive policies.
I am to the point of giving him every policy he wants , let him accelerate the destruction of America lets stop trying to stop him. we are hated and vilified for want spending under control so why not give a trillion to unions and run another trillion in other debt. Lets spend 2 trillion more a year so we can accelerate our destruction. Once they destroy it then we can fix it

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Old 11-07-2012, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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I am to the point of giving him every policy he wants , let hi accelerate the destruction of America lets stop trying to stop him. we are hated and vilified for want spending under control so why not give a trillion to unions and run another trillion in other debt. Lets spend 2 trillion more a year so we can accelerate our destruction. Once they destroy it then we can fix it
I agree ... Let's give these guys the rope they need to hang themselves with.

Obama came into office with a welfare class entitlement mentality ... He had a huge chip on his shoulders ... When he hit the White House, he made it very clear to anyone that would listen, that he was the boss and they had to do what he said .. "Well boys, it's my way or the highway" .. Repubs rebuffed him on this, walked out, and haven't been back since.

I'll tell you straight up ... If anyone ever came into my office with an attitude like that, I'd ride their happy butts out on a rail.

I'm not someone that will put a whole lot of stock into someone with an attitude like that. You can't bush*t a bullsh*tter .. it's as simple as that.

Obama was a skinny know-nothing community organizer with a lot of talk and nothing to say.

He went after the youngest and most least informed among us to get elected in the first place, and once elected, spent his first term purchasing the votes he needed for the second term.

The only way we are ever going to convince these young liberals that Obama is bad for the nation, is to let him have at it. I think a bit of unemployment and a bit of hunger might be just the thing that these liberals need in order to see the light of day.

After all is said and done, it should be no surprise to anyone that these cocky offhanded socialistic liberals really do eat their young ... as we'll soon see when even Obama's own party shows him to the door.

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Old 11-07-2012, 12:52 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Social issues have no place in national elections.
This is exactly the root of the problem. Too many people are trying to force top-down social change one way or the other, and that's not how it's supposed to work. Social issues are best resolved at the state, local or personal level, because each person, community or state has a better handle on the social needs of its people than the federal government ever will.

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The GOP still owns the lackluster, do-nothing, obstructive House, your steady diet of sour grapes hasn't changed that.
Never mind that the Founding Fathers deliberately engineered gridlock into our federal system of government. What do you think checks and balances are for in the first place?
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:01 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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This is exactly the root of the problem. Too many people are trying to force top-down social change one way or the other, and that's not how it's supposed to work. Social issues are best resolved at the state, local or personal level, because each person, community or state has a better handle on the social needs of its people than the federal government ever will.
It's the Obama administration that is pushing the social issues. It's not entirely their fault. You can't have a government as big as ours and avoid social issues. As for those of us who disagree, what are we supposed to do? If we resist, we're labeled extremists. If we roll over every time they push a radical social policy down the pike, we might as well join them.
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