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Old 11-10-2012, 04:16 PM
 
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Can someone point out why tax breaks are given for married couples? Is it simply traditional habit and or a de facto monetary support for a cultural institution deemed necessary and deserves a bonus when done?

I can see a small obligatory tax break for newborns up to maybe 5-6 years old, but why subsidize children & other dependents until they no longer be listed as dependents? That sort of arithmetic seems easy to abuse for fraudulent claims via tax refunds or unremitted tax revenue. Honestly, if the government must subsidize child-rearing why procreate if you can't afford to?
If you get an exemption for yourself -- then of course people with kids get their kids' exemptions until the kids are old enough to support themselves and become their own exemptions.

What you should question are those EITC checks where people who paid in no taxes get some big "refund" check back.
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Can someone point out why tax breaks are given for married couples? Is it simply traditional habit and or a de facto monetary support for a cultural institution deemed necessary and deserves a bonus when done?

I can see a small obligatory tax break for newborns up to maybe 5-6 years old, but why subsidize children & other dependents until they no longer be listed as dependents? That sort of arithmetic seems easy to abuse for fraudulent claims via tax refunds or unremitted tax revenue. Honestly, if the government must subsidize child-rearing why procreate if you can't afford to?
First, let me say I'm married with kids. I don't think there should be ANY deductions for people living in my household. It's none of the government's business how many kids I have and it's not up to anyone else to subsidize me having them (however, given the tax rates I pay, I'm taking anything they're stupid enough to give as a deduction) nor do I care to subsidize someone else having kids. The tax laws are archaic here. This predates birth control.

Unfortunately, the deductions for my kids doesn't eliminate the marriage penalty we pay because we both work (way to encourage people taking responsibility and paying for ther own kids there). However, when dh retires, we'll be able to divorce for tax purposes. He'll pay next to nothing because he's on social security and will claim one child so he can claim single head of household. I'll pay next to nothing because I'll be claiming single head of household by claiming the other child and will take all the deductions. I guess someone else will have to pay for the nanny state... If they're going to be stupid, I'm going to take advantage of their stupidity.

We wouldn't need deductions and loop holes if we had a flat tax. Taxes would me much easier to do as well. Line A - What did you earn. Line B multiply what you earned by 15%. Write a check. Done.
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:32 PM
 
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I will donate to charity but I'll be selective. Food pantries around here are a joke -- it's just people who sold their food stamps or eat far more than anyone should eat. You even see grown men showing up to get their bags of free food.

It's not really good to become an enabler who only helps people be lazy.
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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You even see grown men showing up to get their bags of free food.
Grown men aren't allowed to eat?
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:15 PM
 
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I'm pretty careful about which charities I give donations too. If the receiving party is not of the same demographic I tend to not give them anything. I don't see much gain for me by giving to people that hate me because of my race.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:07 AM
 
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I'm pretty careful about which charities I give donations too. If the receiving party is not of the same demographic I tend to not give them anything. I don't see much gain for me by giving to people that hate me because of my race.
Its not only people hating you because of your race. It's people hating you because you have something they don't. I agree, they voted to take it away so I guess there is nothing to give any longer. Obama will take care of them anyway. They won't need our help any longer.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:16 AM
 
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If anyone believes that someone so committed to charitable giving that they'd give $10,000 a year is going to cancel that giving based on an election, those people aren't thinking very clearly.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:07 AM
 
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If anyone believes that someone so committed to charitable giving that they'd give $10,000 a year is going to cancel that giving based on an election, those people aren't thinking very clearly.
Redistributive policies inherently create factions and social strife sometimes by design. By keeping the “peasants” squabbling over table scraps that are not theirs by right in the first place, the people in power can continue to rob us, our children, and grandchildren blind with debt-ballooning, inflation-inducing unconstitutional spending.

There simply is no way to take the fruits of one’s labor for another’s enrichment without inviting deep-running resentment, anger, and discord from the targeted group. You would think the lessons associated with American slavery would illustrate this well enough for posterity.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:20 AM
 
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Redistributive policies inherently create factions and social strife sometimes by design. By keeping the “peasants” squabbling over table scraps that are not theirs by right in the first place, the people in power can continue to rob us, our children, and grandchildren blind with debt-ballooning, inflation-inducing unconstitutional spending.

There simply is no way to take the fruits of one’s labor for another’s enrichment without inviting deep-running resentment, anger, and discord from the targeted group. You would think the lessons associated with American slavery would illustrate this well enough for posterity.
This is nonsense. The majority of Americans of all income levels support the spending of the federal government. There is no robbing going on. So far there has been little inflation.

And if someone is interested in the debt ballooning then they certainly wouldn't support the Republican party.

The hyperbole about government spending is just foolish. Why can't we deal with the reality of where our federal dollars get spent.

It's not mostly going to the poor.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Redistributive policies inherently create factions and social strife sometimes by design. By keeping the “peasants” squabbling over table scraps that are not theirs by right in the first place, the people in power can continue to rob us, our children, and grandchildren blind with debt-ballooning, inflation-inducing unconstitutional spending.

There simply is no way to take the fruits of one’s labor for another’s enrichment without inviting deep-running resentment, anger, and discord from the targeted group. You would think the lessons associated with American slavery would illustrate this well enough for posterity.
Tell me, putting aside the user funded programs, SS, Medicare, SSDI, unemployement, worker comp, etc, what is the PERCENTAGE cost of the remaining "social aid" programs? I'm guessing government spending for those programs are rather small %wise.
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