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View Poll Results: Should the Bush Tax Cuts be allowed to expire.
Yes 97 75.78%
No 31 24.22%
Voters: 128. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-14-2012, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
Yes we have, and the facts don't change. Under the BTC we had record high revenue.

In spite of that, I support letting them expire. Lets run the experiment and see what happens when you take that much discretionary spending power out of the economy.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:47 AM
 
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They should be expired NOW for everybody making over $100,000 a year and over the next 3 years for everybody.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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There is NEVER been a budget surplus.
Yes, there has. But a budget surplus is meaningless because the Feds came up with a little trick called "off budget spending". So a budget surplus does not mean the Feds spent less than they collected.

The last time that Federal Debt declined from one year to the next was 1957. Which means every year since 1957 the Feds spent more than they took from the taxpayers.

Even in the so called "Clinton surplus" years, Federal debt increased.

Here are the DEBT growth amounts in billions associated with the past eight presidents;

Reagan1... $665
Reagan 2.. $1030
Bush........ $1462
Clinton..... $1160
Clinton2....$449
Bush1...... $1705
Bush2...... $2646
Obama1... $6375
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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So post the numbers and quit whining.
And I'm the one decrying welfare/entitlement for an excuse? Try again.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Yes we have, and the facts don't change. Under the BTC we had record high revenue.
Nope. Highest number of years in red, yes.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Moose Jaw, in between the Moose's butt and nose.
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I'd rather see Obama's plan, but, I'd would also rather see the tax cuts expire for everyone (including me of course), as opposed, to having them be extended for everyone, including the top 2%.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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I voted "NO"...but it seems that is what is going to happen and we will pay more capital gain tax, etc....but that is it, the rest wil go to my kids and family and friends...

Let liberals give more to charity and we will see how that will work out. I have seen it in The Netherlands. Raise taxes means lower gifts to charity and less other things provided by the people with money...less jobs, etc. Means more poor people...but Liberals and the president have a hard time doing the math!

It will not be hard when they will see the higher percentages of unemployed people and more people on welfare!
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:25 PM
 
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I voted yes just to see Obama get screwed when the economy implodes.
- I voted yes so that everybody gets screwed -
teach everyone a lesson not to spend what we do not have

Actually, just get rid of the I.R.S. and have a Nat'l Sales Tax.
Just think of all the arguments we could eliminate
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:28 PM
 
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That's the biggest myth since the tooth fairy. Structural is there by law and laws can be changed or repealed.

Yes, it will take a few years, but spending could be cut by 50%. Defense could be cut very quickly by ending all wars (Obama is spending $170 billion per year on wars) and closing all foreign bases. Individual and corporate welfare could be cut quickly. Product subsidies could be eliminated quickly. Wasted spending on agencies like ATF and DEA could be cut instantly.

"Structural" is just a politician's excuse for not wanting to cut the size and power of government.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:31 PM
 
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And since Obama didn't do anything to change the rates, shouldn't they now be called the 'Obama era tax rates' and any upward change as the Obama tax increases?
But, he's only been in office four years
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