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A State can secede. There is nothing in the Constitution that bars a State from seceding. Worse than that, all powers that are not expressly denied to the States are granted to the States in the 9th and 10th Amendments.
Since the States are not barred from seceding, they can legally secede.
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, but hypothetically if they did attempt to secede:
1. You would have close to 50% of the people in fervent opposition to it.
Not likely. No State would act on a simple majority. It would require at least 2/3 support...but nice fantasy. You're not using mushrooms again, are you?
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2. Given the changing demographics of Texas, it would halt all secession efforts in 5 years.
Based on what? You're not sniffing glue again, are you?
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3. Texans wil need to obtain 2/3s of the house and Senate to agree to a constitutional amendment to allow them secede, during which time Texas will be the laughing stock of the nation.
Any State can secede at any time. I would tell you that the impact and effectiveness of asymmetrical warfare correlates highly with technological advancement, but that would probably go right over your head.
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4. Texans will give up any pretence of being patriotic to the Union.
And that is relevant how?
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5. And if Texas did secede, it would be asking for aid from the USA as global warming baked that state to a crisp and to assist the millions of unemployed that secession would bring.
So, you're suggesting that if Texas secedes, the oil and natural gas just disappears?
Really?
What kind of geological theory is that?
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Where to start with this one...
1. the military more specific defense force for these states.. the us government doesnt give away equipment so they either take it or destroy it. If they choose to destroy it they will fly in a few bombers and wipe it off the face of the earth, especially bases with runways.
Uh, the US III Corps will evacuate peacefully, moving to other facilities around the US.
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2. the economic impact is something that is impossible to measure. The simple necessities ohh like oil and gas, milk, all food. Will become scarce very quickly as they are no longer being distributed freely throughout these states. Phone and internet would disappear as the lines will be cut at the borders. And it goes on and on and on.
I can measure the economic impact very easily, but then I do have a BA in Economics.
Necessities will not become scarce. I don't suppose you've ever heard of international trade. The US is not the only country on Earth that grows wheat.
How will oil and gasoline become scarce in Texas? There are gasoline refineries in Texas.
I can see you put a lot of thought into your fantasy.
If anyone cuts the lines at the borders for phone and internet, that would be the US, not Texas. The Texas Special Forces teams in the new Texas Army could send the entire US into a recession for 8-10 years.
Enjoy standing in a soup line.
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3. Currency and financial institutions. The u.s. dollar will not be legal for them anymore, why? Because the dollar is a commodity that is affected by inflation.
There are other currencies. There's no law that says Texans cannot use Euros.
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Banks would close there doors quickly as the us funds that are federally insured are drained.
And why can't Texas insure them? Texas can. I guess it would be asking too much for you to go back to the 1920s and read about States that had some form of deposit insurance before the FDIC and SLIC were created.
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This is no joke... Companys that are subsidized by the us government would loose those funds and close there doors or relocate.
Why can't Texas subsidize them?
Texas can lower the tax rates to effectively substitute for the subsidies, right?
Again, I can see you spent a whole 3 seconds thinking about this while sitting on the throne.
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I could keep going ....
Please don't. There have been enough hallucinogenic fantasies for one day.
When you graduate high-school, if you are graduated, maybe you can get a student loan and study reality in college.
I guess the NFL would lose teams. Not for session but the Texas national football league does sound good.Also we would win the college texas national football championship every year.Something to thaik about.
Its not going to happen now, but in the future it will. Many of us on this website will be dead and buried before the first state secedes. A state could not survive on its own. What would people do that do not want to be part of it, but don't want to leave the state? What would be ones new nationality? Would a number of states secede and become thier own country. So much to put together before it could ever happen. These people signing these peititions. Have they even thought what happens to them, if the state left the USA. I doubt it. Thier just signing a paper because thier mad right now.
They wont and the lunatics filing the petitions will be fine when a white guy wins the presidency.
How unintelligent. The race card? That has nothing to do with anything. First of all he's giving the government to much power, and continues to do so. Truth is this past election gave us no choice. We were gonna get a **** head do nothing president in office either way it went, white or black. So let the race card be left for the dumbies my friend. Look into what that guy has been signing, and see why people don't like him. I'm not gonna sit here and give you the fine details, you need to find them for yourself. Trust me he has been signing some hella out of line **** that puts unconstitutional power into the hands of the government. Educate yourself my man
We can rip up NCLB and RTT
We can kick the TSA out of our airports
The Patriot Act, NDAA and Big Sis won't apply
We can control the border with our own laws
What a lot of you people do not realize, is that secession is a very real possibility, but for probably different reasons than what many of you cite in this thread, and a bit further down the road.
The only thing holding this country together right now, through all of our political, social and economic partisanship, is our intertwined economy, interstate trade, federal social programs, and our monetary system (first and foremost).
However, given the mathematical impossibility to avoid hyperinflation and preserve the dollar as an effective, stable form of currency, much less, the world's reserve currency, this whole thing has the makings to come apart at the seams, thus forcing states to operate more unilaterally in lieu of an inept and financially bankrupt federal government.
The most dangerous part of succession isn't the lack of federal support, it's the foreign interests that will subdivide our nation into regions that will hardly reflect the USA we all grew up with and knew.
Ten years from now, we will be living in a very different country, almost unrecognizable to most.
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A State can secede. There is nothing in the Constitution that bars a State from seceding. Worse than that, all powers that are not expressly denied to the States are granted to the States in the 9th and 10th Amendments.
Since the States are not barred from seceding, they can legally secede.
Not likely. No State would act on a simple majority. It would require at least 2/3 support...but nice fantasy. You're not using mushrooms again, are you?
Based on what? You're not sniffing glue again, are you?
The only person sniffing glue is you if you think seccession is legal? Have you forgot about something called the civil war? Do some reading on the topic you may learn something.
As far as your math goes, it stinks. 50% is less than 2/3s, so if you can't get 50% support, how can you possibly muster 2/3 support. At any rate genius...my point is that nearly one-half of Texas would be opposed to Seccession.
Tell you what...since you have no idea what you are talking about, go to your local library and read a few history books and then maybe we can have an adult discussion.
The only person sniffing glue is you if you think seccession is legal? Have you forgot about something called the civil war? Do some reading on the topic you may learn something.
As far as your math goes, it stinks. 50% is less than 2/3s, so if you can't get 50% support, how can you possibly muster 2/3 support. At any rate genius...my point is that nearly one-half of Texas would be opposed to Seccession.
Tell you what...since you have no idea what you are talking about, go to your local library and read a few history books and then maybe we can have an adult discussion.
Those could just be the Cali transplants that came to Texas to escape high taxes.
Maybe they'll go back ?
FYI : Articles of Confederation (1777) created a perpetual union. The USCON only made it "more perfect", but did not dissolve the original union. It may have been voluntary going in, but like "Hotel California", you can never leave.
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To the race card guy
