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Old 11-17-2012, 06:59 AM
 
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Woah. I am surprised. I didn't know the Palestinians ever shot at legitimate military targets.
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:04 AM
 
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Tell that to Jesus.


Peace.
brian

Jesus died specifically to save everyone. He had a purpose of great importance that was designed from the beginning. Without his sacrifice, none could be saved. He did not advocate being a victim of violence. Peters action of cutting the guards ear off when Jesus told him to put his sword away for he would die if he did not "those who live by the sword, die by the sword" was Peter's fear of defeat, but Peter did not know of God's plan of victory. Peter could not stop God's will and to attempt such one would parish.

To take Jesus's actions and attempt to twist them to mean we should submit to violence, to evil and let it be committed without defense is not God's message. We should be vigilant in the defense of good, in the protection of the innocent.
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:43 AM
 
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Speaking of rose colored glasses, how many Israeli's were killed, anyone?

Gonna go back to how many Israelis have been killed since the creation of Israel? Or are you just interested in this last little fracas exchange.

Let's say someone lobbed a missile into Times Square from the St Michelon Islands and killed only two folks having a latte, would you bother to count or would you DEMAND the total eradication of those little Islands? C'mon; let's have your answer?

I can't wait for you so will answer for you: You'd leave nothing but a smoking hole in the ocean!

The Israeli's have practiced amazing restraint for decades at the insistance of your country. Cast your mind back to those days when scuds were raining down on them and you folks were demanding they wait it out until you got your Patriot systems up and running.

Given the shoe being on the other foot; do you think for one second that Hamas being in posession of any kind of effective missile deliverance system would hold off from the total and complete eradication of Israel? The only reason Iran hasn't given Hamas the tools it needs to perform this genocide is they know the whole region would glow in the dark for the next hundred years from your automatic response.

You just keep on with your JOO hating prejudice sunshine and ignore the reality that were they to cease to exist overnight you'd be the next to get the full attention of those "all but Islam shall perish" retards over there.

The Israelites are the only thing keeping all those rag-headed idiots occupied from focusing their full and undivided attention on the western hemisphere.
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Old 11-17-2012, 08:55 AM
 
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Appears this was provoked by Israel with yet another "defensive" strike on a Hamas leader. Really not a fair fight with a few hundred thousand soldiers and the best military armament the US could buy. A few hundred palestinians killed, Israel none. I guess this is Israel's long term solution, very short sighted, bad timing and destined for failure. They are really on their own now, I can see why Obama didn't meet with them, they are crazy.
obama has ( and will continue to be ) been just as deferential to israel as any other president , he just uses a slightly less gung ho tone when refering to the conflict , he hasnt done a single thing which has changed the reality over there
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:05 AM
 
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Jesus died specifically to save everyone. He had a purpose of great importance that was designed from the beginning. Without his sacrifice, none could be saved. He did not advocate being a victim of violence. Peters action of cutting the guards ear off when Jesus told him to put his sword away for he would die if he did not "those who live by the sword, die by the sword" was Peter's fear of defeat, but Peter did not know of God's plan of victory. Peter could not stop God's will and to attempt such one would parish.

To take Jesus's actions and attempt to twist them to mean we should submit to violence, to evil and let it be committed without defense is not God's message. We should be vigilant in the defense of good, in the protection of the innocent.
When Jesus said, "follow Me," he meant it. Either we walk in his steps, or we walk in the ways of the world.

"Resist not evil" was also Jesus' command.


Peace. (There's no other way.)
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:09 PM
 
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The Israelites are the only thing keeping all those rag-headed idiots occupied from focusing their full and undivided attention on the western hemisphere.
CORRECTION: The Israelis are the reason those "rag-headed idiots" hate the Western Hempisphere. How do you expect Arabs and Muslims to react when Israel kills their 5 year old daughters with American-made weapons? When America is enslaved to Israel and does not dare condemn them? They have every reason to be upset at America.

The Arab World had no problem with us until we started to blindly support the Israelis. The Middle East was moving in a secular direction before Israel was sent to the region. Most of the earlier resistance movements against Israel in the Arab World were led by Arab Christians and secular parties. It is Israel who benefited from making the Arab resistance a more conservative Muslim one. By doing so, the Israelis helped spark domestic conflict in many Arab nations and took the attention off of Israel.
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Old 11-17-2012, 06:13 PM
 
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CORRECTION: By doing so, the Israelis helped spark domestic conflict in many Arab nations and took the attention off of Israel.
If Israel had never existed the Arab countries would have been fighting among themselves much earlier.
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Old 11-17-2012, 08:12 PM
 
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This should escalate the combat over there. I actually didn't think it was possible for the Palestinians to shoot down a F-16. They must have upgraded their weapons or got their hands on Heat Seeking Missiles. I am looking for more mainstream sources but for now, this is all I can find..infowars.com/palestinians-shoot-down-israeli-f-16-fighter-jet-in-gaza/
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What is fascinating is that the Taliban have never shot a fighter jet down over Afghanistan with their heat seeker missiles, but these Palestinians managed to do it over Gaza.
As Pruzhany clearly showed in post #122, this is a lie.

Propaganda:

"As the IDF’s Operation Pillar of Defense in Gaza continues, Hamas has made several totally false claims about damages it has supposedly done to Israeli cities and soldiers. This is done in order to give the public in Gaza a false image as though Hamas is defeating Israel."

"Among other claims, Hamas said its missiles directly hit Tel Aviv. In fact, despite sirens having been sounded in Tel Aviv in recent days, there were no direct hits on the city. In most cases the missiles landed in open areas and in one case on Saturday, the Iron Dome anti-missile system shot down the missile.

The terror group also claimed to have hit the Israeli Knesset. In reality, a missile fired by Gaza terrorists on Friday sounded off sirens in Jerusalem, but the missile landed in open areas outside the city.

In another lie, Hamas published a photo of a wounded child, claiming he was hurt in an IDF air strike. In truth, the child was not wounded in Gaza but rather in Syria as part of the ongoing civil war in the country.

The terror group has also claimed that it brought down Israeli fighter jets and warships. None of the claims are true."

[Emphasis mine.]
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:03 PM
 
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The Arab World had no problem with us until we started to blindly support the Israelis. The Middle East was moving in a secular direction before Israel was sent to the region. Most of the earlier resistance movements against Israel in the Arab World were led by Arab Christians and secular parties. It is Israel who benefited from making the Arab resistance a more conservative Muslim one. By doing so, the Israelis helped spark domestic conflict in many Arab nations and took the attention off of Israel.
Absolutely right. In 1948 both the West and the Soviets supported the creation of Israel. The Soviets were shrewd enough to switch sides and leave us holding the bag, supporting a small ethnocracy with no oil.

In 1948 Egypt, Syria, Libya, Iraq and Iran all had pro-U.S. governments. Thanks to the destabilization caused mainly by the Israel-Arab conflict, by 1980 they had all been replaced by Islamic or secular radical regimes.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:41 PM
 
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Absolutely right. In 1948 both the West and the Soviets supported the creation of Israel. The Soviets were shrewd enough to switch sides and leave us holding the bag, supporting a small ethnocracy with no oil.

In 1948 Egypt, Syria, Libya, Iraq and Iran all had pro-U.S. governments. Thanks to the destabilization caused mainly by the Israel-Arab conflict, by 1980 they had all been replaced by Islamic or secular radical regimes.
Those radical regimes traded oil in US dollars which is why they were put in place. Iraq and Libya tried to buck the system and they had to be changed.
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