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Old 12-04-2012, 11:47 AM
 
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To some people "fair" is "sombody else paying for my bennies".

Well, working uninsured renters are subsidizing homeownership and fringe benefits for other people...
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:55 AM
 
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With 9 out of 10 failing luck and being in the right place at the right time is a big part of success (along with EVERYTHING ELSE I listed) . Someone licing in ghettoland will be less likely to be in the right place at the right time.

This reminds me of something that's bugged me for a long time:

Ever notice how an awful lot of innovations are created by people who experienced a problem in commerce? (e.g. I tried to do X with Business Y and they couldn't do it, so I created Z)

If you're (financially) in ghettoland, you are unlikely to be in a position to have the sort of problem for which you can create a solution.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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No. Benefits are capped because contributions are capped. Retirees receiving SS should be taxed just as those withdrawing funds from their 401k's/IRAs are taxed.

Tsk tsk. There is a longstanding generally accepted accounting principle that proceeds from insurance should not be taxed when the insurance premiums are paid with post-tax dollars. When insurance premiums are paid with pre-tax dollars, payouts should be taxed.

Didn't you say previously that Social Security is INSURANCE? Since people pay into it with post-tax dollars, any benefits they receive should be exempt from tax.

Congress got this one wrong and you propose to make it even more wrong.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:10 PM
 
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Wouldn't this be a reason for them to pay 20% of all the income tax? Obviously, that is what would be fair, correct?

Yes, that would be fair if you believe that poverty-level incomes should be taxed from Dollar One.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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No they're not. They're factual. The Chairman of the Economics Department at Harvard University agrees with what those charts show, using current data:Harvard University's Greg Mankiw: Most Americans Are Making A Profit Off Of Government

CBO report cited:
CBO | The Distribution of Household Income and Federal Taxes, 2008 and 2009

For those who don't know, "largess" means the giving of money as if to an inferior, or something given to someone knowing there will not be any hope of repayment or reimbursement.

I wanna know why I am paying a positive federal income (and payroll) tax rate when the middle quintile is paying a negative tax rate.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:16 PM
 
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Gotta have money for those cigarettes, beer and liquor, and fast food, huh?

I'm not going to squeal if those things are taxed. Better than applying a blanket income tax on poverty.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:16 PM
 
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Didn't you say previously that Social Security is INSURANCE? Since people pay into it with post-tax dollars, any benefits they receive should be exempt from tax.
Take that up with the IRS. They tax it.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:18 PM
 
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I wanna know why I am paying a positive federal income (and payroll) tax rate when the middle quintile is paying a negative tax rate.
You made bad life decisions.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:19 PM
 
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I'm not going to squeal if those things are taxed. Better than applying a blanket income tax on poverty.
There is no tax on poverty. There's a tax on income.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:22 PM
 
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Part of intellect is being resourceful in finding capital.

Now you're sounding like Robert Kiyosaki.

His definition of "financial literacy" includes the ability to borrow $1 million.

Yeah, right. Like HowTF does a burger flipper with an IQ of 120 borrow $1 million? That should be a standard of financial literacy?
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