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China doesn't mess around squabbling about guns or ridiculous who-shot-John political theories. If something needs to get done they get on it.
We used to have that can-do spirit here in the States.
China displaced over 40 million people on projects like the HSR. That sounds like a great plan, let's force everyone in California out of their home and business for no real benefit.
We have trains already that are money pits to the tax payers because of low ridership. It is very easy to project the shortcomings of HSR.
Spending money for the sake of spending money is not a good plan.
Tell me again why HSR is markedly better than the already paid for air planes again? Why we should spend more than a trillion dollars on a train?
Want to talk about money pits?
Our roads are the biggest money pits. They are subsidized $0.50 to every $1.
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78
To some extent I agree, though HSR is like any other regional project that receives federal funding.
.....and we know there is NO LIMIT to Federal funding.
The United States is monetarily sovereign. It can pay any bill of any size at any time.
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
HSR will not work: not at least the way most people THINK it will work
1. ""high speed"' HAS to be between far distances with NO inbetween stops....otherwise it will never be high speed.....in other words you could have a boston to NYC....but you would HAVE to leave the people of CT in the dust..... or a NYC to WASHDC....leaving the people of NJ and del and Maryland in the dust
2. government rail doesn't work....Amtrak has lost money every year since its creation in the 1970's.....
2a. tyr taking an amtrak from NYC to NC.....time..... 25 hrs...so many stops....meanwhile its a 10 hr drive......now think about all the stops...most people forget about the stops when they '''dream''' of HSR
3. for the west coast..you would need to have Tijuana to seatle, for it to be feasible as a HIGHSPEED rail
Ugh. I'll repeat my statement.. because this is such a terrible argument you are providing.
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Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated
Does everyone that uses I-80 between Chicago and Sacramento drive from Chicago to Sacramento?
How does everyone have a brain fart whenever HSR comes up? Like the Interstate Highway System, most people on the roads are making local or regional trips. Chicago riders are going to travel to Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Kansas City, etc. They will obviously fly to California. That has nothing to do with the viability of linking a dozen cities between Chicago and California.
Our roads are the biggest money pits. They are subsidized $0.50 to every $1.
.....and we know there is NO LIMIT to Federal funding.
The United States is monetarily sovereign. It can pay any bill of any size at any time.
Ugh. I'll repeat my statement.. because this is such a terrible argument you are providing.
really now...
I love trains...3rd generation railroader...
but HSR wont work , especially in the northeast cooridor....NO ROOM to even lay the tracks
do you even understand all the logistics that go into planning a railroad???
do you even understand EPA, FRA rules and regulations??
bet you don't...you would rather ''pull on the heart strings'' than to see reality
1. HSR is designed to be HIGH SPEED LONG DISTANCE....zero stops to slow down the train
2. the roadbed requirements, tie requirements , weight of rail (all welded rail) requirement, ballast requirement, drainage requirement, power(most likely electrical) requirements, epa (environmental requirements, warnings at crossing requirements(ie FRA regulations on horns etc)
3. do you even realize the stopping distance of a NORMAL train doing 50mph......a FULL MILE....trains don't stop on a dime....(RESEARCH operation lifesaver....ie crossing accidents)
4. do you understand the requirements for checking the rail on a regular basis (ie MOW (maintenance of way))?
5 for the northeast corridor (ie metronorth)even with running a HSR '''side by side''' with the normal track, where are you going to build a new station, or new line into an existing station....???
6..how many people are you going to UNHOUSE, (ie eminent domain ) to run this new line??
Our roads are the biggest money pits. They are subsidized $0.50 to every $1.
Would you be in favor of having the federal government just take care of only the interstate highway system and set the federal gas tax at a rate that covered 100% of it and having that money ONLY go toward interstate highway construction and maintenance? Would you also be in favor of the states having the same gas tax system for all roads within its borders?
Yes, we want a more totalitarian government in the United States. Or you do.
It is not just HSR, the Chinese are building mega-dams, bridges, roads, power grids, you name it.
Meanwhile what are we doing?
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