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Old 11-30-2012, 05:03 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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It's really quite simple.

You develop a skill, idea or product that someone will pay for.

The value of your skill, idea or product will be determined organically by the market.

No government program can alter that.
The fact the NY JETS command the highest ticket prices in the NFL with a less than mediocre team says your theory of the skill/value relationship is hogwash.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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The assertion that progressives don't understand the economy is undercut by the fact that they do. What you assume is that if someone disagrees with your narrow viewpoint they "don't understand."

They, in fact, understand better than you.

What you suffer from is mirror thinking. If you believe in capitalism, progressives must not believe in it. Progressives just believe the government has a legitimate role in setting the rules of the road so business doesn't sell dangerous products, ruin the environment or exploit labor.
Then why do they spend all their time whining about profits? They're mad at McDonald's, Hostess, everybody. Why aren't they out there owning their own company if they're so smart?

Because they're not smart enough, that's why!
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Which has nothing to do with Karl Marx or his quotation.
Right, it has nothing to do with taking money from those who have the means and giving it to those who have the needs.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Right, it has nothing to do with taking money from those who have the means and giving it to those who have the needs.
No. It doesn't. It has absolutely nothing, zilch, zero, nada, not a thing to do "with taking money from those who have the means and giving it to those who have the need."

Look it up.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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The fact the NY JETS command the highest ticket prices in the NFL with a less than mediocre team says your theory of the skill/value relationship is hogwash.
You might want to go check their ticket prices again. I read a report they've dropped in price.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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No. It doesn't. It has absolutely nothing, zilch, zero, nada, not a thing to do "with taking money from those who have the means and giving it to those who have the need."

Look it up.
Must have hit a nerve for you to deny that increasing taxes on the wealthy to pay for social programs is nothiń like taking from each according to his means to give to each according to his needs. Keep denying it all you want, doesn't make what you say the truth.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:16 PM
 
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People arent and never were dying in the streets and starving to death. A big red herring from the left as they stack obamacare on top of medicaide, amnesty on top of immigration laws, and double to triple the number of people reciveing food stamps.

Thats my problem, more regulations, more laws, on top of whats already there. Its never ending and we will cetainly bank rupt ourselves.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:17 PM
 
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It's really quite simple.

You develop a skill, idea or product that someone will pay for.

The value of your skill, idea or product will be determined organically by the market.

No government program can alter that.
Conservatives don't understand the economy. They actually think cutting massive amounts of spending and pushing the FED to constrict monetary policy will grow the economy.

Quick question conservatives, how does depressing consumer spending and demand for goods and services equate to job growth?
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Must have hit a nerve for you to deny that increasing taxes on the wealthy to pay for social programs is nothiń like taking from each according to his means to give to each according to his needs. Keep denying it all you want, doesn't make what you say the truth.
Ignoring that you seem unable to follow your own argument, it is clear that not only have you never read a word of Marx, you have never read anything by anybody else who has ever read a word of Marx. The quotation has nothing to do with taxation, wealth redistribution, social programs, government entitlements... it is not within light years of such a discussion. Yet you hallucinate that the quotation is somehow the basis for liberal ideas on taxation and social programs (which you also seem to only dimly understand).

You are parroting the wrong people. They are ignorant twerps.

Now of course we all know that your genuine objective here is actually merely to smear liberals by falsely associating them with communism by ignorantly trying to connect them with an irrelevant quotation. So perhaps you really do not even care that you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Conservatives don't understand the economy. They actually think cutting massive amounts of spending and pushing the FED to constrict monetary policy will grow the economy.

Quick question conservatives, how does depressing consumer spending and demand for goods and services equate to job growth?
No, that has nothing to do with the economy. That has to do with the federal government's budget which is trillions of dollars in debt due to excessive spending and borrowing by members of both parties.
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