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Old 06-26-2013, 09:13 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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But the ruling on DOMA made it very clear that states are free to establish their own rules for marriage. This will of course encourage someone to re-write Prop 8 using different verbage and then have it rechallenged, and possibly held up the next time by the Supreme Court as ok since the states can decide for themself.
If prop hate were to come up for vote again, it would lose by a landslide. More people in California support equal marriage rights now then in 2008. Prop Hate is gone.

 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Basically what DOMA was, was the federal government trying to tell a state what their marriage laws must be, that is what was struck down. States make their own marriage laws, the feds have no right to stick their noses into that.
You don't know what you're talking about.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:14 AM
 
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I pay taxes just like everyone else, and I do not appreciate my money used to kill babies, or to support immorality. Period. It is (was) my constitutional right to live my life as dictated by my faith. That right has been thrown out the window.
So if my (hypothetical) faith means I can discriminate against somebody because of their skin color, that is acceptable? No it is not. I can practice a faith up until it violates the rights of someone else (and the law).

America is not a Christian-only nation.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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From what I hear about this ruling was, it is still up to the States to decide, and it is not within power the Constitution of the United States to allow the Federal Government to address marriage. There is no provision in the Constitution addressing who can marry who, so this falls back on the 10th amendment leaving the power to address this to the State and the people of the state. All States have an "equal rights under the law" in their respective State Constitutions. The Federal government do not have the power under the Constitution to decide who can marry and who can not marry.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:15 AM
 
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But the ruling on DOMA made it very clear that states are free to establish their own rules for marriage. This will of course encourage someone to re-write Prop 8 using different verbage and then have it rechallenged, and possibly held up the next time by the Supreme Court as ok since the states can decide for themself.
You're suggesting a Prop 8 under a different name would pass in California? Too late for that. As I've said countless times, bigots are fair-weather friends. If they don't feel like they're on the winning side, they pretend not to care.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Why? I'm not a huge fans of gays, but the government has no constitutional authorization to dictate who consenting adults may or may not marry.
That is not that the ruling is about. This ruling is about spending tax money to support gay marriages.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:15 AM
 
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If prop hate were to come up for vote again, it would lose by a landslide. More people in California support equal marriage rights now then in 2008. Prop Hate is gone.
You're possibly right. Most of us conservatives have abandoned ship. But having lived there during the vote, it was latinos that tipped the scales.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:16 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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I pay taxes just like everyone else, and I do not appreciate my money used to kill babies, or to support immorality. Period. It is (was) my constitutional right to live my life as dictated by my faith. That right has been thrown out the window.
You have your right to live however you wish, but you do not have the right to force your way of life on others. I pay taxes too, why is it okay that my money goes towards benefits for straight people while I cannot be legally married? I should not have to support your marriage or your way of life. Your freedom of religion is also my freedom from religious persecution.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:16 AM
 
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So if my (hypothetical) faith means I can discriminate against somebody because of their skin color, that is acceptable? No it is not. I can practice a faith up until it violates the rights of someone else (and the law).

America is not a Christian-only nation.
People still discriminate in todays day and age, to pretend otherwise is crazy. Muslims discriminate against women for example, but that religion is going nowhere anytime soon.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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Michele Bachmann:

"Marriage was created by the hand of God. No man, not even a Supreme Court, can undo what a holy God has instituted."

Michelle and Marcus Bachman on marriage:


The Partisans - Marcus And Michele Bachmann Explain Marriage - YouTube
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