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Says the President for Life of Jewelers for 9/11 Truth, a guy who thinks that thermic lances have something to do with thermite, and who believes that jewelers have magical skills that allow them to do metallurgical studies just by looking at pretty pictures.
James Madison is the acknowledged father of the constitution. In 1794, when Congress appropriated $15,000 for relief of French refugees who fled from insurrection in San Domingo to Baltimore and Philadelphia. James Madison wrote disapprovingly, "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." Today, at least two-thirds of a $2.5 trillion federal budget is spent on the “objects of benevolence.” That includes Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, aid to higher education, farm and business subsidies, welfare, ad nauseam.
Sure you could. And I'm guessing you could teach Tesla a thing or two about inventing ... maybe give Gen MacArthur a lesson in war strategy ... show Chuck Yeager really how to test out jets?
So...the reasoning why taxation is not theft is because of a document written hundreds of years ago, which I never agreed to. A document which permitted slavery to exist? That's not a great argument.
And it isn't just limited to being theft if you are paying for another group's income.
Let's say a group of people, like the mob, forces me to pay them money for "protection" under the threat of physical harm. I would think that most people would disagree with that.
Now, let's say there was a group of 30 people living in a neighborhood somewhere. Let's say they vote, and the majority "yes" vote forces everyone, including the minority "no" vote to pay a security officer part time for "protection." Most people would still think that was wrong.
If that's wrong, then just making the group of people larger doesn't make it right. And the gov't uses the threat of physical harm. What does the gov't use to force income tax evaders to go to prison?
Not everything the gument does or has done is morally or legally just. A la the internment of Japanese Americans in WWII. Just because special interests and lobbyist have concocted a tax monstrosity ... How Long is the US Tax Code? ... does not make it right or just. To put it in colloquial terms "it ain't their money".
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
the constitution authorized slavery too...doesnt mean its right
the constitution stated that senators were appointed by the state
the constitution states that only men (males) have the right to vote
the constitution states that taxes would be EVEN among the population...not a ''regressive so-called progressive income tax"
the constitution authorizes manditory conscription (draft)
the constitution states ANY THING NOT MENTIONED IN THE FIRST NINE AMENBDMENTS is UP TO THE STATES
do you really want to pay with words...eddie???
So how exactly are we supposed to fund building roads?
The confusion may be eased by this:
Pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, Job #1 = secure rights, and Job #2 = govern those who consent. If consent was not granted, then the government was still obligated to help secure rights - via prosecuting deliberate injury and adjudicating disputes of accidental injury. This does not require much in the way of funding.
As to taxation, governments instituted to secure rights have no power to tax rights. All they may tax are privileges. So, the obvious question is : what revenue taxable privileges did the taxpayer consent to for there to be a tax levy?
If consent was granted, no "theft" is involved. If consent was not granted, investigate which privilege is behind the levy.
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