A quote from Thomas Jefferson... (deaths, Jesus, states, federal)
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Originally Posted by VTHokieFan
Liberals are generally prone to surrender and so willing to give up their rights. That's why they're seen as anti-military and anti-defense.
Only by hypocritical conservatives who despite their allegations of being for less government/less government spending are only too happy to support more government/more government spending on an already bloated/excessively expensive military.
"On the one hand, the judiciary was pronounced to be stripped of its capacity to enforce the laws; crimes, which reached the very existence of social order, were perpetrated without controul, the friends of government were insulted, abused, and overawed into silence, or an apparent acquiescence; and the [to] yield to the treasonable fury of so small a portion of the United States, would be to violate the fundamental principle of our constitution, which enjoins that the will of the majority shall prevail."
George Washington's Sixth address to Congress regarding the anti-tax insurrection in Pennsylvania.
Complaints are everywhere heard from our most considerate and virtuous citizens, equally the friends of public and private faith, and of public and personal liberty, that our governments are too unstable, that the public good is disregarded in the conflicts of rival parties, and that measures are too often decided, not according to the rules of justice and the rights of the minor party, but by the superior force of an interested and overbearing majority
Ignoring that the Franklin "quote" is a fake (he never said it), so? That magically makes us not a democracy how? Exactly?
Ancient Athens was a democracy. That democracy put people to death for unpopular opinions. In our Republic there are restraints on the power of the government and of the people. Certain rights are not subject to the whims of popular opinion. It would be nearly impossible for you to repeal the second amendment, and while we have it, no matter what way the wind is blowing, infringing on the right to keep and bear arms is forbidden.
How would you assert, presumably with a straight face, that any one statement of his is "more telling" than any other?
Because the one you posted tells us next to nothing about his opinion on the subject. He was discussing a small number of people rejecting a legitimate tax on whiskey. Not taking away a fundamental right protected by our Constitution.
Only an idiot would think Jefferson would ever support disarming the people.
There isn't anybody with a any semblance of common sense talking about disarming the American population. From a legal and cultural standpoint that's just not going to happen.
There obviously needs to be more done to prevent criminals and mentally unstable people from getting guns.
It was one form of democracy, yes. But it was a much less inclusive democracy than our own certainly. Only a specific few had the franchise. No women. Not even all free men.
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Originally Posted by arctichomesteader
That democracy put people to death for unpopular opinions. In our Republic there are restraints on the power of the government and of the people.
Yes. Our form of democracy has restraints that the Athenian form of democracy did not.
How fortunate for us.
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Originally Posted by arctichomesteader
Certain rights are not subject to the whims of popular opinion.
But all of them are subject to regulation when they conflict. That is the purpose of law... nay, the purpose of morality. To manage the conflict between rights.
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Originally Posted by arctichomesteader
It would be nearly impossible for you to repeal the second amendment, and while we have it, no matter what way the wind is blowing, infringing on the right to keep and bear arms is forbidden.
Nobody is seriously recommending we repeal the 2nd Amendment. But unless you believe that six year olds should be able to buy sub-machine guns, guess what? You already believe in gun control.
We are arguing about the messy details, not the Platonic ideal.
No, you'll give up your AK when the majority of Americans decide that you'll give it up.
It's a little something that I like to call................ Democracy.
No, it's a little something called tyranny of the majority, and our constitution was drawn very carefully to avoid it. Even if tyranny is your goal, you'll only be successful in getting thousands of innocent law enforcement officers killed. Furthermore, even this latest tragedy has only increased support for gun control to 2002 levels, far lower than when the original assault weapons ban was passed. No, he'll not be giving up his AK any time soon, and there's nothing you can do about it.
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