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Old 01-04-2013, 02:42 AM
 
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Who in their right mind doesn't (want to defeat DemocRATS).
Obviously the voting majority of the American public, Whether they are in their right mind or not is irrelevant,they won you lost,maybe when the GOP ups the quality of its game it may be a contender in the future but with its current base of Birthers,Teabaggers,rightwing extremists, people who think calling others juvenile little names is worthy of running the USofA..its going to be a long time for GOP to return to power.
As for Boehner coming up with anything? forget about it he;s as useless as the rest of the one dimensional chumps he's leading.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:01 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Instead of fighting the Debt Ceiling Battle head on by forcing a government shutdown, why doesn't Boehner follow Tip O'Neill's tactic of cutting off funding to government programs that increase government spending exponentially ? All spending bills arise in the House. He could pull a Harry Reid and just not bring these huge bills to the floor.
The people may still get mad, but not as mad as they would if government services are shut down.
You are correct, the House is responsible for originating all appropriation bills. Boehner should do precisely what you suggest and submit a balanced budget (based upon projected revenues of course). There still may be a deficit, but it would cut at least a trillion dollars off last year's "budget." I quoted budget because no budget actually existed last year.

The three largest single budgetary items are
  • Social Security (34%);
  • MediCare/MedicAid (23%); and
  • Defense (20%).
The Interest Payment on the National Debt is the fourth largest single budgetary item, but that can only be reduced by the paying off the National Debt. Also keep in mind that the US is still currently in a state of war until Congress repeals Public Law 107-40.

Where would you cut a trillion dollars?
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:20 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Actually if Boehner and the GOP exercised the power of the puse a lot of Americans would get upset over things like learning they would not be getting a cost of living increase in their SS benefits payments if not an actual reduction in future payments going forward, how about having to get on an actual waiting list for a Medicare payed treatments like they have in places like Canada or Britain for National Health Service Hospital elective surgical procedures, add to that any American working for a government contactor who loses his job when a contract at his firm is cancelled for lack of budgetary authority of appropriations (This covers about a quarter of all American employees especially those in hig tech fields).
Please. I think there are areas other than Social Security cost of living increases to cut that would yield a far more effective reduction of government spending. We give away millions, if not billions, in ridiculous "grants" to organizations who are simply exploiting the system, milking (or bilking) the taxpayers out of their hard earned dollars to do useless "research" in various areas. These are simply scammers.

Interesting you mention waiting lists for Medicare paid treatments. Isn't that what we are about to experience for treatment under ObamaCare? Only it won't be just for seniors. It will be people such as yourself who will be forced to wait. Don't believe it? You mentioned Canada and Britain. That is what we are looking at.

Be careful what you wish for. You wanted it (socialized medicine). Your getting it, along with all of it's increased costs (in the form of the high taxes you are about to be paying to fund it) and it's inefficiencies and poor quality. Government in action. Enjoy.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:26 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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What part of it got your panties in a bunch??
Your excellent forum etiquette.
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:02 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Republicans don't want to reduce spending they want to defeat Democrats.
If Republicans wanted to defeat Democrats they would be doing it. It wouldn't be hard. But, they refuse to engage in any meaningful debate. This is because very few of them disagree with Democrats on many of the important issues. We call them RINO's.

Conservative Republicans want to both reduce spending and defeat Democrats. This is why they are not liked by either side. It is also why we use the term "establishment Republicans." Establishment Republicans like the status quo. Establishment Republicans like to "go along" (to get along).

This is what is really destroying the Republic. Congress was never supposed to be a place of constant compromise. Robust debate is good, and there is nothing wrong with issues being hotly contested on Constitutional principle, which has largely been abandoned, the argument being, "let the courts decide." But every lawmaker takes an oath to uphold the Constitution, both Democrat and Republican.

When asked about whether ObamaCare was Constitutional (prior to it being passed), Nancy Pelosi answered with the question, "Are you serious?"

ObamaCare never should have passed, because it illegally originated in the Senate (they used trickery, abusing a provision in the Constitution which allows for the Senate to amend a House spending bill — only they didn't just amend it; they replaced it in it's entirety).
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:10 AM
 
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It's very typical of the "conservative" viewpoint in this forum.

They've been told to hate Obama, so they do as they're told.
A lot of them didn`t need to be told to hate Obama.They have a problem with his pigmentation.
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:44 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Instead of fighting the Debt Ceiling Battle head on by forcing a government shutdown, why doesn't Boehner follow Tip O'Neill's tactic of cutting off funding to government programs that increase government spending exponentially ? All spending bills arise in the House. He could pull a Harry Reid and just not bring these huge bills to the floor.
The people may still get mad, but not as mad as they would if government services are shut down.
The GOP Congress did it just two days ago when they approved more spending as a part of the Fiscal Cliff agreement.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:01 AM
 
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Your excellent forum etiquette.
Well, give yourself a bile-colored star
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:09 AM
 
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Because of how the government is structured. The laws need to be approved by both houses.

To get something approved, the House and Senate need to say yes.
To stop something from being approved, either the House or Senate can say no.

So to defund something, the Republicans in the House would have to get the Democrats in the Senate to agree to defund it. But to stop the Debt Ceiling from being raised, the Republicans alone have the power to block it.

Without a continuing resolution or a passed budget, ALL government spending stops at the end of the fiscal year.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:09 AM
 
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But to stop the Debt Ceiling from being raised, the Republicans alone have the power to block it.
Unless they don't because doing so is unconstitutional.
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