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Yeah, upon reading that, it appears that relatives who are the child's caregivers can get the "child-only TANF grant" in WA State. It's usually grandparents. Also,the former custodial parent can get the family TANF for a certain period of time if they are working to get the family reunited. The money would still go to the caregiver for use to support the child.
Interesting link, thanks.
Here is an interesting link.
'Reports of TANF EBT Fund Misuse
Supporters of the new provision cite several news accounts and investigations highlighting abuses of EBT funds. For example, an investigation conducted by the Los Angeles Times last year found that $1.8 million in TANF funds were withdrawn in casinos. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger than issued an executive order urging officials to crack down on fraud and requiring TANF beneficiaries to promise to use funds only to “meet the basic subsistence needs” of their families.
Probes in Atlanta discovered $150,000 in TANF benefits was accessed in liquor stores and nightclubs, while a report in Michigan found more than $87,000 had been withdrawn from a Detroit casino over a 12-month period. Representative Dave Camp (R-MI), Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee cited these examples among others when proposing the change to the law.'
These people should be air-dropped a bag of oats and rice, with maybe a pig or two like the rest of the 'needy' world gets. The oversight on these programs is laughable, there should be a level of shame to these programs not a windfall of cash to blow however they see fit.
It is also rampantly used as a black market currency, I've been propositioned in the 'hood' for a $20's in gas for $10 in cash multiple times which is a fantastic deal.
As my wife and I struggle to pay the monthly mortgage and our daughter's college, I'm left wondering why others don't have to be responsible for their own lives.
I was at the supermarket this past weekend, and was in line behind two full shopping carts full of racks of ribs, tenderloins, pork chops, soda, a ton of junk food, ribeyes, and a tons of other stuff totaling out to over $800. As she paid with her EBT card, I couldn’t help but wonder what it feels like to be able to buy as much top dollar food as you want with redistributed money of others, or if that would even cross the mind.
Does our current system give people any reason to stop taking advantage, stop having kids they can’t pay for, to be thankful for what they are given, or encourage them to get off the system to support their own existence? I’m talking about the leaches, not the vets, retirees, or handicapped, so keep that in mind.
Save the BS, I don’t feel like arguing about how heartless I am or people who are critical of our failed systems are. I don’t need to hear sad stories, I’ve experienced my own. I just want to know what you think about our welfare system, and its contribution to our entitlement society and the debt.
Is there any hope for our society or have we finally lost the country to the "give me free stuff crowd"..
Someone on the Left may say, you should recieve some help with tuition costs and help to refinance...ect.
Someone on the Right may say...You should have properly planned for your child's college funding.
'Reports of TANF EBT Fund Misuse
Supporters of the new provision cite several news accounts and investigations highlighting abuses of EBT funds. For example, an investigation conducted by the Los Angeles Times last year found that $1.8 million in TANF funds were withdrawn in casinos. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger than issued an executive order urging officials to crack down on fraud and requiring TANF beneficiaries to promise to use funds only to “meet the basic subsistence needs” of their families.
Probes in Atlanta discovered $150,000 in TANF benefits was accessed in liquor stores and nightclubs, while a report in Michigan found more than $87,000 had been withdrawn from a Detroit casino over a 12-month period. Representative Dave Camp (R-MI), Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee cited these examples among others when proposing the change to the law.'
These people should be air-dropped a bag of oats and rice, with maybe a pig or two like the rest of the 'needy' world gets. The oversight on these programs is laughable, there should be a level of shame to these programs not a windfall of cash to blow however they see fit.
It is also rampantly used as a black market currency, I've been propositioned in the 'hood' for a $20's in gas for $10 in cash multiple times which is a fantastic deal.
That's obviously not the intent of TANF funds, and yet is not illegal (the exchange for cash is illegal). However, it is part of what happens when people are expected to manage their own funds. There will always be people who, due to ignorance or dishonesty, misuse their TANF funds. The ignorant ones might be educable; the dishonest ones should be reported, if possible. But if some stranger makes you an offer, how do you report them? It's difficult.
That's obviously not the intent of TANF funds, and yet is not illegal (the exchange for cash is illegal). However, it is part of what happens when people are expected to manage their own funds. There will always be people who, due to ignorance or dishonesty, misuse their TANF funds. The ignorant ones might be educable; the dishonest ones should be reported, if possible. But if some stranger makes you an offer, how do you report them? It's difficult.
Just recover your money, just assume its a gas station gift card and don't look closely.
Why not just give them a bag of oats and rice like our relief efforts overseas do? Why do we even give cash when we could make sure 100% of every dollar is spent in actual substantive food instead of leaving the decision to the most inept people in society?
There is the reason they are in the situation they are, poor choices, poor education and poor ethics. Remove the need for those 3 elements, by dropping food that eliminates abuse in one fell swoop and give you two options. Eat the food or go hungry.
Just recover your money, just assume its a gas station gift card and don't look closely.
Why not just give them a bag of oats and rice like our relief efforts overseas do? Why do we even give cash when we could make sure 100% of every dollar is spent in actual substantive food instead of leaving the decision to the most inept people in society?
There is the reason they are in the situation they are, poor choices, poor education and poor ethics. Remove the need for those 3 elements, by dropping food that eliminates abuse in one fell swoop and give you two options. Eat the food or go hungry.
Because TANF is not earmarked for food, for one thing. SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) is food only. It is more economical to distribute funds for food rather than set up the huge administration that it would require to distribute actual food (administrators, buyers, transportation, warehouses, staffing for warehouses, etc.). Also, there is an expectation that people are entitled to some small measure of dignity.
That said, my grandparents got "government cheese" - it was DELICIOUS! Made the best grilled cheese sandwiches. The powdered milk? Not so good.
Because TANF is not earmarked for food, for one thing. SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) is food only. It is more economical to distribute funds for food rather than set up the huge administration that it would require to distribute actual food (administrators, buyers, transportation, warehouses, staffing for warehouses, etc.). Also, there is an expectation that people are entitled to some small measure of dignity.
That said, my grandparents got "government cheese" - it was DELICIOUS! Made the best grilled cheese sandwiches. The powdered milk? Not so good.
How hard is it to give money to the major grocery stores, give them a 1-2% handling fee and have them either ship it or allow customers with ID and if they are on the list give them a small ration of food.
The same with energy companies, etc. I can't believe TANF is literally a totally free, no payback cash giveaway, that makes me sick to my stomach.
The logistics is easy, those people already frequent the stores. If you factor in the abuse, it is a small price to pay.
These programs ultimately need scrapped, the fattest people in America are the poor and the need for free food and cash has jumped the shark.
How hard is it to give money to the major grocery stores, give them a 1-2% handling fee and have them either ship it or allow customers with ID and if they are on the list give them a small ration of food.
The same with energy companies, etc. I can't believe TANF is literally a totally free, no payback cash giveaway, that makes me sick to my stomach.
The logistics is easy, those people already frequent the stores. If you factor in the abuse, it is a small price to pay.
These programs ultimately need scrapped, the fattest people in America are the poor and the need for free food and cash has jumped the shark.
The reasons poor people are fat would take far too long to explain here.
TANF doesn't have restrictions on how you spend the money, but there are work requirements and a five year lifetime limit.
The reasons poor people are fat would take far too long to explain here.
TANF doesn't have restrictions on how you spend the money, but there are work requirements and a five year lifetime limit.
They kinda laxed the work requirements due to the bad economy and lack of jobs to be found.
States are allowed to get creative in having people fulfill the job requirement which means it just might go back to what they did before the strict job requirements got added.
<insert quantitative value> - <insert quantitative value> = <net value> (positive will indicate weight gain, negative value decrease)
This is very basic, and it will explain any weight gain and loss that isn't water weight. It doesn't matter if you are poor or rich, it holds true for all physiology including the poor on EBT.
They are simply eating too much food/calories and for their level of physical activity. Which means the poor need to be reduced in their benefits on this merit alone.
They cannot be trusted to make proper decisions with their EBT.
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