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"Of the 400 titans [richest Americans] on our list, 274 are self-made--up from 270 last year. Six of the top 10 spots on the Forbes 400 belong to entrepreneurs (as opposed to those born into wealth). Their combined net worth: $166.5 billion." Secrets Of The Self-Made - Forbes.com
And they still wouldn't have advocated a tiered society.
I hate to break this to you, but "their time" was one of much higher learning and understanding of human nature and history than today.
In addition the people of that time subscribed to a much higher level of moral ethics and were infantry more civilized and higher mannered than society today.
If they would have been shocked by anything, it would be the degeneration of social morals in today’s society.
We have become a society of liars, thieves, and beggars who are more than willing to sacrifice any semblance of self-respect to get something for nothing.
Furthermore it is not a question of advocating a tiered society, we already have a tiered society, we are just in a state of denial and hypocritically dishonest about it.
That IS a tiered society. The Founders only wanted those with skin in the game to vote.
What we have now is a 'free sh*t army' majority that votes themselves ever-increasing benefits and services paid for with other people's taxed income. They care not a whit what their demands cost because it's all free for them. What we have now is exactly what the Founders DIDN'T want. They KNEW it would destroy the republic, our country.
You think the settlers traveling through the Cumberland Gap to claim land were first tier or second tier?
"Of the 400 titans [richest Americans] on our list, 274 are self-made--up from 270 last year. Six of the top 10 spots on the Forbes 400 belong to entrepreneurs (as opposed to those born into wealth). Their combined net worth: $166.5 billion." Secrets Of The Self-Made - Forbes.com
Of America’s current 400 richest, gushes Forbes, 70 percent “made their fortunes entirely from scratch.”
Forbes made the same observation last year, too, and most news outlets took that claim at face value. Researchers at United for a Fair Economy, a Boston-based group, did not. UFE analysts stepped back and took the time to investigate the actual backgrounds of last year’s Forbes 400. They released their findings last week, on the same day Forbes released its new 2012 top 400 list.
Most of our super rich were born on third base and think they hit a triple.
The basic conclusion from these findings: Forbes is spinning “a misleading tale of what it takes to become wealthy in America.” Most of the Forbes 400 have benefited from a level of privilege unknown to the vast majority of Americans.
I hate to break this to you, but "their time" was one of much higher learning and understanding of human nature and history than today.
In addition the people of that time subscribed to a much higher level of moral ethics and were infantry more civilized and higher mannered than society today.
If they would have been shocked by anything, it would be the degeneration of social morals in today’s society.
We have become a society of liars, thieves, and beggars who are more than willing to sacrifice any semblance of self-respect to get something for nothing.
Furthermore it is not a question of advocating a tiered society, we already have a tiered society, we are just in a state of denial and hypocritically dishonest about it.
I hate to break it to you, but "their time" was not of higher learning and understanding of human nature and history than today. People of that time were not more moral than people of today. And they most certainly weren't more civilized or better-mannered than society today.
All societies have always had liars, thieves and beggars.
You're romanticizing and fantasizing about the past.
The Founding Fathers themselves may have been better educated than the majority of Americans, and they may have been visionaries. But they weren't better people.
The idea of a tiered society is regressive and reactionary, and doesn't actually respond to the issues and problems we face today.
I hate to break this to you, but "their time" was one of much higher learning and understanding of human nature and history than today.
I hate to break this to you but that's just personal opinion. There is no objective measures for what you're asserting, except perhaps literacy (higher now than a couple of hundred years ago), average years of schooling (higher now than a couple of hundred years ago), etc.
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In addition the people of that time subscribed to a much higher level of moral ethics
Highly moral slave-owners, followed by highly moral racial bigots. You are entitled to mythologize them, in your own mind, if you wish, but don't think to present such nonsense on open forum and have people just bend over of kowtow to such assertions, rife with convenient failures to remember the actualities of history.
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and were infantry more civilized and higher mannered than society today.
This is pretty laughable... valuing form over function and thinking that that would actually be considered a good thing instead of a bad thing.
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If they would have been shocked by anything, it would be the degeneration of social morals in today’s society.
I bet I'm twenty times more shocked by how immoral society was then as compared to today, because I believe and value real morality not form-over-function morality.
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We have become a society of liars, thieves, and beggars who are more than willing to sacrifice any semblance of self-respect to get something for nothing.
People have been exploitative since time immemorial. There is no objective measures that indicate that that's changes appreciably. We've just traded one set of deceptions for another set.
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Furthermore it is not a question of advocating a tiered society, we already have a tiered society, we are just in a state of denial and hypocritically dishonest about it.
As we always have been, as you yourself modeled for us, by ignoring the reality of how things were in the past.
Did they make an effort to acquire the land they claimed? If so, first tier.
Since there was 2/3 of a continent of unclaimed land, and it takes little effort to claim unclaimed land, then you evidently aren't holding the first tier to a very high standard. What would the difference be between first and second tiers in 1790? That one group had the means, and the second didn't? And you think that society would be better if we locked people into two tiers, one with assets, one without. To what purpose? To destroy the people who don't have assets?
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