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i dont need a smart person to save me from thugs, i just need an armed person with guts to save me from thugs.
u will use your smarts to save u not me.
i like good people with guns.
cars are much more dangerous than guns.
Evidently people love guns, and some think nothing about carrying loaded guns to gun shows where dozens of people can pick up and handle them. The only thing worse than this can be the flu that's going around and people can catch it just by handling something.
You are absolutely correct, there are some that think this, these would be the people that do the ignorant things that happened....what people like you focus on, and not the thousands of other guns that were handled that exact same day.
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Originally Posted by NoJiveMan
Some people don't take gun safety seriously at all, I can tell by all the personal attacks, deflections and casual attitudes towards the handling of firearms in the thread.
Again, you're right but don't paint everyone who owns a gun like you have been doing and other people like yourself have been doing. People were harmed because of ignorance.
You are being attacked because people like me are tired of hearing non-sense, ignorant stats, knowingly false information, and the same thing over and over that we Pro-gun people get tired of hearing.
No worse than you thinking that we Pro-gun people are deflecting, because YOU keep talking the same crap over and over and over and over and over....
Edited to add below, my point is well proven by this posting:
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Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948
i dont need a smart person to save me from thugs, i just need an armed person with guts to save me from thugs.
u will use your smarts to save u not me.
i like good people with guns.
cars are much more dangerous than guns.
Evidently people love guns, and some think nothing about carrying loaded guns to gun shows where dozens of people can pick up and handle them. The only thing worse than this can be the flu that's going around and people can catch it just by handling something.
Some people don't take gun safety seriously at all, I can tell by all the personal attacks, deflections and casual attitudes towards the handling of firearms in the thread.
Any tool of sufficient power is going to be linked with death and injury of and by the careless and luckless. No doubt that when man invented the boat, the incidence of drownings skyrocketed. OTHO so did the provision of nutrition from fishing. Same thing with guns. Accidents occured, but so did the ability of the average Joe to protect himself from violence. Is it really that tough to understand?
Again where is the quote/link where anyone ever claimed that "guns are totally safe?" Everything I've ever read from pro-gun types underscores the inherent danger of guns. What other avocation has four rules of safety as basic text?
Let me guess you won't attack or deflect. You'll just ignore and decline to respond.
I for one seldom visit gun shows and when I do I have never carried a gun. I prefer to buy from a local shop and from people I know. That said to each their own. I never bought a car on line either.
I would have to conclude that both Raleigh NC and Ohio Shooting "accidents" were planned events. Indiana was either sheer stupidity or another victim of a faulty firearm put in circulation by the gun control groups.
The guy in NC drove approximately 3 hours from Wilmington NC to Raleigh to sneak a loaded shotgun with a defective trigger/safety mechanism into a gun show hoping the firearm would discharge when some unsuspecting person handled the weapon. Unfortunately the weapon was going to be properly inspected upon entry into the gun show and discharged at the inspection table while still in the bearers possession.
Next you have to wonder why an elderly person would drive 3 hours to Raleigh to sell a firearm when he could have waited a month and sold it at the Feb. 16/17 gun show in Wilmington, his home town. I lived in NC and I never drove more than an hour to attend one of their many gun shows.
Last but not least, the anti-gun group responsible for this shooting achieved 2 goals in this weapons discharge event. 1) the gun show was halted and all patrons were evacuated from the building, 2) all private firearms sales were further prohibited for the remainder of the show.
Now for the Ohio shooting, someone managed to slip a loaded pistol into the gun show, bypassing the firearms inspection station or purposely loaded the firearm after inspection and entering the show. They then sold said weapon to an unsuspecting dealer in hopes to cause accidental discharge or injury as the dealer would have a reasonable expectation that a properly checked/inspected weapon at a gun show would be unloaded.
If the gun was not checked at the door it could only have been brought into the gun show by a law enforcement officer using their credentials to bypass the inspection station. And with the recent reports of the FBI's involvement with so called bomb plots I would not put it past them to in someway be involved with some or all of these incidents.
For those of you who want to debate the dangers between guns and automobiles let me interject.
It is a proven statistical Fact that more people are killed or injured via automobiles than are via firearms.
Now the majority argument and debate between cars and guns involve the human element. So lets take the human element out for a minute and re-evaluate. Lets consider an unattended parked vehicle and an unattended firearm.
An unattended vehicle parked on an incline where the driver neglected to set the parking brake (aka; Safety), on the vehicle before leaving it. Sometime later the vehicle pops out of gear or the engine slips for manual transmission or the park paw and gear slips or breaks on an automatic transmission; sending an unattended out of control vehicle careening down a hill, possibly running over pedestrians walking on the sidewalk or crossing the street, or crashing into another occupied vehicle, or into a house or store front injuring some unsuspecting victim.
On the other hand an unattended loaded firearm, even with the safety off, is NOT likely in a million years to suddenly discharge and injure someone.
So as you can see, no matter how you look at a given situation vehicles will always be more dangerous than firearms either attended or unattended, regardless of human interaction.
For those of you who want to debate the dangers between guns and automobiles let me interject.
It is a proven statistical Fact that more people are killed or injured via automobiles than are via firearms.
Now the majority argument and debate between cars and guns involve the human element. So lets take the human element out for a minute and re-evaluate. Lets consider an unattended parked vehicle and an unattended firearm.
An unattended vehicle parked on an incline where the driver neglected to set the parking brake (aka; Safety), on the vehicle before leaving it. Sometime later the vehicle pops out of gear or the engine slips for manual transmission or the park paw and gear slips or breaks on an automatic transmission; sending an unattended out of control vehicle careening down a hill, possibly running over pedestrians walking on the sidewalk or crossing the street, or crashing into another occupied vehicle, or into a house or store front injuring some unsuspecting victim.
On the other hand an unattended loaded firearm, even with the safety off, is NOT likely in a million years to suddenly discharge and injure someone.
So as you can see, no matter how you look at a given situation vehicles will always be more dangerous than firearms either attended or unattended, regardless of human interaction.
How many people will get get up tommorrow morning and fire their guns, not a good comparison. Most of the population uses cars on any given day, very small percentage will use their guns. We need cars to get to work, we do not need guns.
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