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Old 01-29-2013, 12:47 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I'm asking this question because it seems either nobody wants to answer it or they can't. Think about this for a minute. DHS put out a new contract for bid to build a new, lightweight, easily concealable assault rifle. Why? The ONLY reason for concealing an assault rifle is for the element of surprise. Who do they plan on surprising? You're not going into a foreign country with an assault rifle under your jacket to wage war, you aren't protecting anything with a concealed weapon, you would want that out in the open as a show of force. The only reason? To use the element of surprise on American citizens.

https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&m...=core&_cview=0
Even more creepy is why the Social Security Administration needs 174K hollow point bullets?

Me: Hi! I'm here to request a social security card

Agent: Sure! Here's your card...........Bang!

And yes...while our government is on a witch hunt to disarm the populace, they are on a quest to arm themselves to the teeth. Do as I say, but not as I do...
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:47 PM
 
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At the borders they might need them against armed drug runners for example
A regular M-16 would be better for that purpose.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:48 PM
 
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Even more creepy is why the Social Security Administration needs 174K hollow point bullets?

Me: Hi! I'm here to request a social security card

Agent: Sure! Here's your card...........Bang!
I know. Something is going on, that's for sure.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:49 PM
 
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This is one of those moments where I really question the ideals of liberals and liberalism. If you notice, they turn a blind eye to these types of discoveries, as if they believe there is noble intent behind such a procurement. I'd love to find at least one liberal on this forum who will willingly and forthrightly question why a DOMESTIC agency tasked with ensuring "homeland security" would need such a weapon? We have the military for a reason, which is not allowed by law to police states and localities. Does DHS have this same prohibition? Is this an end-around miltary law and an loophole in which to carry out actions against citizens??

When can we expect liberals to question their government?
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:51 PM
 
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I don't buy that. There are better ways to word what you are trying to say. A 30 inch 7lb. weapon is for concealment as in hiding it. You can fire ANY rifle from a sniper position. Actual sniper rifles are way longer than 30 inches.
It's not a matter of buying anything. It's a matter of reading comprehension. It doesn't say what you claim it does. Here's the sentence again:

"DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required."

Here is it just focusing on the clause in question:

"DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use when maximum concealment is required."


Again, how does it make sense that "concealment" refers to a design specification? This is a sentence about what conditions they want the rifle designed to use in (close quarter and concealed conditions).

Reading it your way, it would say they want a rifle that is suitable to use when the rifle is concealed. So again I'll ask you: how do you use a rifle while it is concealed?
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Florida
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No, they want a new rifle built. Read the specs. You aren't getting an M-16 or M-4 at 7lbs. and 30 total inches in length with the stock extended.
It fits the specs perfectly. M4 is about 7 lbs and 30 inches.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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No, they want a new rifle built. Read the specs. You aren't getting an M-16 or M-4 at 7lbs. and 30 total inches in length with the stock extended.
Yes, as I said, I bet they want the new Colt SCW. It takes AR mags, and looks similar to an AR, but uses different internals to allow for a folding stock. The specs are:

barrel length: 10.3 inches
weight: 6.5 lbs (empty)
overall length: 30.25 inches
length folded: 23.5 inches.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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It fits the specs perfectly. M4 is about 7 lbs and 30 inches.
6.36 pounds, and 29.75 inches (33 with the stock extended) according to wikipedia
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Florida
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6.36 pounds, and 29.75 inches (33 with the stock extended) according to wikipedia
Right, and about 7lb with 30 rounds in the magazine.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Right, and about 7lb with 30 rounds in the magazine.
From section 3.12 of the OPs link--overall length with stock completely extended not to exceed 30 inches. OAL with stock retracted and/or folded not to exceed 20 inches.

M4 therefore is out. They want something really tiny. Even the SCW does not meet that. SCW with a 7 inch barrel would be close. It would appear they want something that can be hidden under a coat...and they want a lot of them.
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