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Old 02-01-2013, 11:38 AM
 
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Living with roommates is a good way to have your stuff stolen and to deal with vatly more drama than an innocent person should have to put up with.

For two years I had to put up with domestic violence other people did to each other in the house, because I could not afford to move. (Finally they split up and she moved out...but now they're back together.) You have an answer for everything, right?
You're the one with the answer to everything. Face it, you just want to do what you want to do despite what the laws and regulations are, (regarding wanting to split your property up and sell the smaller lot to a poor person), now you are saying living with roommates is out of the question. Either you get a better judgment of character when choosing your roommates or get a better job. Not very complicated stuff.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:39 AM
 
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You are still trying to argue this nonsense? The poor can absolutely buy a home, IN AN AREA THEY CAN AFFORD! I know what you are trying to get at and it has been answered already. If you own an acre lot and you have 2 homes on it, you want to be able to split that acre into anything you want and sell it. You can't do that unless you get a variance and then subdivide the lot. If the area you live in has a lot size requirement, you F'd up by building that 2nd home on your property in an intent to sell it with a smaller lot size. You can't just do anything you want to do.

Poor people should not have to a rural area in which they cannot get a job in their occupation.

Whether poor people can buy homes where they live and work should be up to the private sector and not to government. Conservatives and moderates support socialism when it benefits them. Stop social engineering.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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My drug-addled parents and the lame-ass alcoholics to whom they handed off, entirely failed to provide me with the developmental skills the vast majority of kids grow up with.

I bet the overwhelming majority of millionaires had excellent parenting.
People who view themselves as victims tend to stay stuck.

People who chooe to take responsibility for themselves, regardless of the lousy hand they were dealt, tend to have better outcomes.

The only thing any of us control is our own reaction. I have read hundreds of your posts. You are an able communicator, persistent and reasonably logical. You seem to have managed to live within your own means which is substantially more than a heck of a lot of people who were dealt better hands, do.

You have a lot more going for you than tens of millions who are hampered with low IQs, cognitive impairments and/or limited English proficiency.

What might be the outcome if/when you decide to cease empowering that chip on your shouder to determine the rest of your life?
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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Poor people should not have to a rural area in which they cannot get a job in their occupation.

Whether poor people can buy homes where they live and work should be up to the private sector and not to government. Conservatives and moderates support socialism when it benefits them. Stop social engineering.
Follow the damn rules. You seem to want anarchy and nothing else. You DO know that poor people CAN live where they work. There is section 8 subsidies for them ALL OVER the place. Also, it seems YOU want the social engineering, you want to put poor people into nice neighborhoods. Not only will they destroy the property value of surrounding homes, they will most likely ruin the integrity of the safety of said neighborhood.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:46 AM
 
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You're the one with the answer to everything. Face it, you just want to do what you want to do despite what the laws and regulations are, (regarding wanting to split your property up and sell the smaller lot to a poor person), now you are saying living with roommates is out of the question. Either you get a better judgment of character when choosing your roommates or get a better job. Not very complicated stuff.

Should that be up to the property owner or to government?

If government should decide for the property owner, justify it, I have no problem with PRIVATE covenants which restrict the use and sale of property but you seem to support government intervention where the private sector has chosen not to do so.

I'm still living with roommates, but it I had been able to buy my own tiny home, I wouldn't have to (a) live with roommates, and (b) always have to pay more to keep u with rent inflation.

Is inflation a bad thing when it happens to you and okay when it happens to renters?
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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Should that be up to the property owner or to government?

If government should decide for the property owner, justify it, I have no problem with PRIVATE covenants which restrict the use and sale of property but you seem to support government intervention where the private sector has chosen not to do so.

I'm still living with roommates, but it I had been able to buy my own tiny home, I wouldn't have to (a) live with roommates, and (b) always have to pay more to keep u with rent inflation.

Is inflation a bad thing when it happens to you and okay when it happens to renters?
Just move to Houston, they don't have any zoning regulations.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:56 AM
 
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The average hourly non-farm wage in the United States is $23.78. That equals to $49,462 per individual OR $98,924 per two worker household ANNUALLY!

There is absolutely NO REASON why the average worker in the United States cannot live off of these wages.

In fact, with these wages, and when personal responsibility is factored into the equation, there's absolutely no reason for single-parent families, children born out of wedlock, Medicaid, WIC, Welfare, or Food Stamps.

The AVERAGE worker makes $49,462 per year and yet we have liberals belly-aching over minimum wage and people barely able to make ends meet???? Who's fault is that?!

Get off your lazy asses and DO SOMETHING with your unproductive lives! There's money to be made out there!


Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National) Home Page
Why do you hate working people?
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:57 AM
 
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Follow the damn rules. You seem to want anarchy and nothing else. You DO know that poor people CAN live where they work. There is section 8 subsidies for them ALL OVER the place. Also, it seems YOU want the social engineering, you want to put poor people into nice neighborhoods. Not only will they destroy the property value of surrounding homes, they will most likely ruin the integrity of the safety of said neighborhood.

I want property rights and an absence of class warfare. I tried to get a Section 8 subsidy for EIGHT YEARS and couldn't even get on the waiting list. There in a HUGE shortage of Section 8 subsidies relative to demand.

Sure I *can* live where I work, but it I cannot buy a home, I always must pay more in order to keep up with rent inflation. Buying a home means NO MORE RENT INFLATION, which means the low-income person now can save and invest increasing amounts over time as his housing cost falls in relation to his income.

IC says a burger flipper should live beneath his means; I say that is very difficult for a burger flipper who cannot escape rent inflation - especially if he must pay IC's flat tax. Buying a home is the most effective way for a burger flipper to live beneath his means and build wealth over time

The rules say a poor person can LIVE where they work but cannot BUY a home from a willing seller where they work. Please justify that.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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so you are calling people with low paying jobs stupid...


thanks for showing how shallow liberals are
Not that I agree that the poster is calling people with low paying jobs stupid, but he is not "liberals" he is ONE person.

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Show some initiative and the read the book, all the data is cited:
The Millionaire Next Door - Thomas J. Stanley, William D. Danko - Google Books
Yes, I saw that. However, that guy gives no source for his data that I could find, at least not in that link you posted first.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Education costs money, I have no money.
Hospitals have many entry level job opportunities and pay more than minimum wage. If not today, then tomorrow. Most of these jobs are full time with subsidized benefits. Many hospitals offer tuition reimbursement after X time on the job.

There are many educational oppotunities available to low income earners.
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