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Old 02-03-2013, 06:40 AM
 
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Exactly. It's a CHOICE to remain unskilled and low-paid. The unskilled low-income earners have NO right to whine and complain that it's *unfair* that someone else earns more than they do. The higher income earners made different choices and are reaping the rewards of the hard work and sacrifices it took to make THEIR CHOICES a reality.
A bigger issue is those who made the choice to get the skills and made good money, perhaps $25/hr. But following the economic collapse, we are still feeling its effects, now can only find work that pays poorly, perhaps $10/hr.
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Old 02-03-2013, 07:45 AM
 
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A bigger issue is those who made the choice to get the skills and made good money, perhaps $25/hr. But following the economic collapse, we are still feeling its effects, now can only find work that pays poorly, perhaps $10/hr.
In modern times the worker needs to constantly be improving skills, including entrepreneur skills. Otherwise the worker will lose their job to a foreign alternative. If not that then the worker will see lower pay due to the influx of people that lost their jobs to foreigners
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:40 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Charter schools in this state do not have a unionized staff and are free to pay whatever the hell they want.
If that was unacceptable to the teacher with a master's degree then why accept a job at a charter school. If he believes his credentials are worth more, he should seek a job at a school that pays more. Seems he's getting paid his fair market value but is unhappy about it.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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A bigger issue is those who made the choice to get the skills and made good money, perhaps $25/hr. But following the economic collapse, we are still feeling its effects, now can only find work that pays poorly, perhaps $10/hr.
Yep. The policy of giving mortgage loans to high risk/low-income borrowers ended up biting a lot of people in the butt. When those loans began defaulting en masse, they took the housing market, MBS, the resulting derivatives, and our economy down with them.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Jawjah
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According to Republicans, $200-$250k is middle class. No, seriously.

From the (republican) Wall Street Journal (note: Romney made the same comment in an interview):

WSJ fiscal cliff infographic.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:04 AM
 
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Do you even know what AVERAGE means? I suggest you look it up! OMG. What insanity.
Read the thread. The point is to promote discussion. Give it a shot. You might learn something.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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In case anyone has not pointed out, the average does not necessarily equal the median. When we live in a world of inequality, the average is not a good measure of central measure of central tendency. We need to look at the median.

For example, if we look at a three person economy with the first person earning $10k, the second person earning $20k, and the third person $210k, then the median is $20k while the average is $80k.

However, would you claim that the average of $80k is accurately reflective of this economy? No, you would not.

This is basic mathematics, but many people lack these skills. America is falling behind in basic mathematics and science, hence, the low information voters who cannot think for themselves.

To top it off, Republicans like the OP have been attacking education for decades. Most ironic.

Read the thread. You are not telling us anything we don't already know..... including me who started the thread. The idea is to promote discussion. At 36 pages, I'd say it was a successful endeavor. You are not more intelligent, although you may be tempted to think so.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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According to Republicans, $200-$250k is middle class. No, seriously.

From the (republican) Wall Street Journal (note: Romney made the same comment in an interview):

WSJ fiscal cliff infographic.
Where does it say middle class?
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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Not even sure where to start there.

You do understand what an Average is right ? it is the total sum divided by the number involved.

so lets say one of the companies in this study was apple, which means there CEO is included in their Data. Do you know how much Tim Cook made last year ????

377 MILLION dollars. He was awarded 1 million shares in apple stock at 377 dollars a pop.

Apple has 72,000 employees.

if every employee at Apple worked for free except Tim Cook, the average pay would still be 5200 dollars. See why using an "average" makes no sense, what you should do is find the mode pay. What rate occurs the most.

im also not even sure of the point of your thread. Are you saying people are lying about low wages ? because i can assure you that i dont make 23 dollars an hour, or even half that.
Read the thread. You are not telling us anything we don't already know..... including me who started the thread. The idea is to promote discussion. At 36 pages, it was a successful endeavor. You are not more intelligent, although you may be tempted to think so.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Originally Posted by Saritaschihuahua View Post
Do you even know what AVERAGE means? I suggest you look it up! OMG. What insanity.
Exactly. Someone needs a statistics lesson.

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Originally Posted by A Common Anomaly View Post
In case anyone has not pointed out, the average does not necessarily equal the median. When we live in a world of inequality, the average is not a good measure of central measure of central tendency. We need to look at the median.

For example, if we look at a three person economy with the first person earning $10k, the second person earning $20k, and the third person $210k, then the median is $20k while the average is $80k.

However, would you claim that the average of $80k is accurately reflective of this economy? No, you would not.

This is basic mathematics, but many people lack these skills. America is falling behind in basic mathematics and science, hence, the low information voters who cannot think for themselves.

To top it off, Republicans like the OP have been attacking education for decades. Most ironic.
Great post!

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Not complaining, mind you, just saying that money goes a LOT farther in lower-COL regions.
Not to mention that people doing the same jobs in higher and lower cost of living areas are not making the same wage; the person in the lower cost of living region is earning considerably less.

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If that was unacceptable to the teacher with a master's degree then why accept a job at a charter school. If he believes his credentials are worth more, he should seek a job at a school that pays more. Seems he's getting paid his fair market value but is unhappy about it.
Perhaps you could tell that teacher where s/he could find a higher paying job? Because no doubt s/he has tried. Jobs aren't falling off trees.
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