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That's the thing though. The birthers will always keep moving the goal posts every time. There is no use debating with these droolers.
That is the inherent nature of conspiracy theories.
All evidence to the contrary of the theory is just "Part of the conspiracy! See? See? This thing goes so deep they've actually got fake birth certificates!". They thus, contrary to every notion of logic, take contrary evidence to actually be evidence supporting their theory.
But in this case, it was still right to release the birth certificate, because those who embrace such illogical nonsense are a substantial minority, and by embracing such absurd positions they call critical attention to less wild-eyed, but still baseless, opposition to the President. Birtherism is a win for the President every way you look at it.
If you listen to the news program that first broadcast a photo of President Obama's school records in Indonesia, the principal of the school says that at that time, it was common for all children to be enrolled under their father or stepfather's last name, religion and citizenship. It's also impossible for him to have become a citizen of Indonesia due to his being a minor. U.S. law did not and still does not allow a minor to relinquish his citizenship nor do they allow a parent to do it for them. There's also the very important fact that his mother never changed nor gave up her U.S. citizenship, so why the hell would she want her son's changed? There are NO records that show him ever changing his name to Soetoro. I see birthers saying that they want to see where he allegedly changed his name back to Obama yet nobody has ever shown any proof that it was ever legally changed to Soetoro.
When I was in school, many children whose parents divorced and then remarried often used the stepfather's name if he had other children because they wanted to belong, to all have the same last name. Rules and regulations are much stricter today, of course, but it did happen. I can think of at least four different families that did this and it was in the mid '70's when I was in grade school.
Once a Muslim, always a Muslim may be true but there is no record other than this one in Indonesia that has also never been verified by any court of law as being legitimate. President Obama was married in a Christian church, had his children baptized as Christians and his wife was raised in a Christian family. No true Muslim would ever set foot in a Christian church, let alone repeatedly for years and that's why there's nobody hunting him, as you put it. He was never a Muslim.
Although you bring up the fact that you said nothing about his birth place, it's ironic that many birthers always use that photo of President Obama's school record to "prove" he was an Indonesian citizen, they ignore the fact that it also says on the very same certificate that he was born in Hawaii yet they dismiss and pretend that's not on there because that doesn't meet with their preconceived notions aka idiotic conspiracy theories.
He could have become a Indonesian citizen even being born in Hawaii.
If you listen to the news program that first broadcast a photo of President Obama's school records in Indonesia, the principal of the school says that at that time, it was common for all children to be enrolled under their father or stepfather's last name, religion and citizenship. It's also impossible for him to have become a citizen of Indonesia due to his being a minor. U.S. law did not and still does not allow a minor to relinquish his citizenship nor do they allow a parent to do it for them. There's also the very important fact that his mother never changed nor gave up her U.S. citizenship, so why the hell would she want her son's changed? There are NO records that show him ever changing his name to Soetoro. I see birthers saying that they want to see where he allegedly changed his name back to Obama yet nobody has ever shown any proof that it was ever legally changed to Soetoro.
When I was in school, many children whose parents divorced and then remarried often used the stepfather's name if he had other children because they wanted to belong, to all have the same last name. Rules and regulations are much stricter today, of course, but it did happen. I can think of at least four different families that did this and it was in the mid '70's when I was in grade school.
Once a Muslim, always a Muslim may be true but there is no record other than this one in Indonesia that has also never been verified by any court of law as being legitimate. President Obama was married in a Christian church, had his children baptized as Christians and his wife was raised in a Christian family. No true Muslim would ever set foot in a Christian church, let alone repeatedly for years and that's why there's nobody hunting him, as you put it. He was never a Muslim.
Although you bring up the fact that you said nothing about his birth place, it's ironic that many birthers always use that photo of President Obama's school record to "prove" he was an Indonesian citizen, they ignore the fact that it also says on the very same certificate that he was born in Hawaii yet they dismiss and pretend that's not on there because that doesn't meet with their preconceived notions aka idiotic conspiracy theories.
YIKES! A post full of logic, common sense, and FACTS!
Wasn't this case already debunked? The judge isn't reopening a case about Obama. This is solely about the idiotic birther lawyer and some sort of sanctions placed against her or something.
I don't have exact details, but it shows up shortly after this thread starts.
He could have become a Indonesian citizen even being born in Hawaii.
once again steve......
indonesian citizenship requirements:
- being the age of 18 years or older, or being married
- when applying, having resided in Indonesian for a minimum of 5 consecutive years or 10 non consecutive years
- physically and mentally healthy
- can speak the Indonesian language and acknowledge Pancasila and Undang-Undang Dasar Negara Republik Indonesia Tahun 1945
- never convicted of a crime for which the punishment is imprisonment for one year or more
if having Indonesian citizenship will not give the person dual citizenship
- being the age of 18 years or older, or being married
- when applying, having resided in Indonesian for a minimum of 5 consecutive years or 10 non consecutive years
- physically and mentally healthy
- can speak the Indonesian language and acknowledge Pancasila and Undang-Undang Dasar Negara Republik Indonesia Tahun 1945
- never convicted of a crime for which the punishment is imprisonment for one year or more
if having Indonesian citizenship will not give the person dual citizenship
- employed or have fixed income
- pay the citizenship fee
obama met 2 of those 7 requirements.
Thank you for posting these Indonesian citizenship requirements. I wasn't aware of all of them although I knew they were extensive and that a 5 year old Barack Obama could never have met them. Do you have a link to this, please? I'm not doubting you for a moment, just anticipating the usual birther, "gotta link?" demands.
He could have become a Indonesian citizen even being born in Hawaii.
You don't like facts, do you? When and why do you think Barack Obama could have become an Indonesian citizen?
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