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Wow, way to overgeneralize. Most of these children are in single-parent homes where the parent does work.
It is low wages, lack of employment opportunities, high education costs, the lack of affordable healthcare, illness, etc. that undermine the ability of parents to support their children.
It IS, in fact, IRRESPONSIBLE to bear children one cannot afford to support. Abstinence is free.
Shouldn't? What you think they 'should' or 'shouldn't' do is irrelevant, your vision of a perfect world isn't reality and policy can't be based on fantasy if you want them to actually work.
You need to take your own advice. A minority artificially financially supporting an exponentially growing TAKER majority isn't sustainable. It's simple math. Quite frankly, you'll run out of other people's money, and then still have a catastrophically large welfare-dependent class that needs an artificial means of support.
Remember the data... those receiving public assistance have a birth rate 3 times higher than those who don't.
I have no problem welfare going to help those who fell on hard times, working poor. I do have a problem with it going towards a single mom too stupid to use birth control and baby daddy nowhere to be found.
I think the majority of people feel the same way you do. It's just hard to find that line between those that truely need the help and the scammers. I was watching the news this morning and they were reporting on an attempted robbery. A person drove his truck thru the Dollar store (somewhere in Detroit) and the whole place caught fire. Anyway's it was reported that this person had 24 children... 24 ! There were no other details but I think it's a fair assumption to say they weren't all from the same mother, he isn't paying child support on all of them.. so I'm sure we are paying for this. Why should we pay for this person's stupidity ?
How are you going to stop a guy with 23 children he doesn't support, from having number 24? Put him in debtors prison? That still doesn't feed or clothe any of the kids.
Cancel all support, and it's the kids who get punished due to the choices of their parents. Perhaps you will take all the children and put them in foster care? But foster care is not free. Neither are orphanages.
No, your taxes pay the Social Security benefits paid out to today's elderly. There aren't private social security accounts you pay into. The social security tax taken out of your check every month is being redistributed to those receiving social security today.
The vast majority of poor in this country are children and single-mothers who work. Millions of children live in dire poverty despite having a parent (or two parents) who works full-time. Wages in this country have not kept up with the increasing cost of food, gas, utilities, rent, etc.
And what about children who have parents who just don't give a ****. They have no choice - should the 10 year old with an alcoholic, crack-addicted mother go get a full-time job so they can support themselves?
What difference does it make the SS and Medicare taxes that are taken out of one's salary what generation it goes to? The point is that we all contribute to those funds and when it is our turn to collect it is still monies that we paid into the system.
All I am saying is that people need to take responsibility in their breeding practices. If one is a single mother and can't support her kids herself then don't have them. We shouldn't have to subsidize her. If one is living in the poverty level due to low wages then don't have kids. If one doesn't give a rat's behind about their kids and can't hold down a job to pay for them then don't have them in the first place. It's all elementary.
Social Security and Medicare are, by definition, welfare programs - not even debatable. You clearly don't have any clue how these programs are funded. I'm 28. I get a full refund on my income tax, but the FICA taxes that I pay every month are what support Social Security and Medicare today. An 80 year old who worked throughout their life and who is receiving Social Security isn't receiving the FICA tax they paid over their lifetime - hell, inflation would make that largely worthless anyway. Also, food for thought: women have only been integrating heavily into the workforce since WWII - even by 1990 there were still tens of millions of women who never worked because they were stay-at-home mothers (and in many cases they weren't even mothers, it was just culturally the norm for them to not work) yet they receive the same Social Security as anyone else.
And why aren't parents supporting their children? Many are, though they simply don't make enough to do it adequately. The cost of raising a child is huge and a large percentage of parents who do work full time still don't make enough to do so adequately because of stagnant wages, high childcare prices, structural changes in the economy, etc.
And then there are children who have parents who are just... terrible people who don't give a ****. You're right, they should care and support their kids but what happens when they don't? Do you tell the kid, 'sorry, you have parents who don't care about you so you're going to suffer'? And what does that breed? A culture and cycle of poverty - a child born into poverty isn't likely to ever escape it; they will receive less attention, generally be in poorer health, not receive proper socialization, not be taught how to manage money or be responsible, not receive a good education, be unable to afford college and then they will continue the cycle anew.
How are SS and Medicare welfare programs when Americans pay into these funds all their lives? It's not our fault that the government borrowed money from these funds rather than investing them for decades. If you don't pay into those funds then you shouldn't be able to collect.
If one doesn't make enough money to support their kids due to low wages then don't have them in the first place. We don't need to tell their kids anything. We need to devise a program where there is no incentive to have kids in the first place if you can't support them by yourself. It's really that simple. We need to take a "tough love" stance on this rather than bleeding heart liberalism.
How are you going to stop a guy with 23 children he doesn't support, from having number 24? Put him in debtors prison? That still doesn't feed or clothe any of the kids.
Castration would stop this before he got to 23.
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Cancel all support, and it's the kids who get punished due to the choices of their parents. Perhaps you will take all the children and put them in foster care? But foster care is not free. Neither are orphanages.
I don't think anybody is suggesting we cancel all support. Just GOVERNMENT support. Charity should be a voluntary private activity.
And yes, the only way to break this cycle of dependence is to take the kids away from deadbeat parents.
How are you going to stop a guy with 23 children he doesn't support, from having number 24? Put him in debtors prison? That still doesn't feed or clothe any of the kids.
Cancel all support, and it's the kids who get punished due to the choices of their parents. Perhaps you will take all the children and put them in foster care? But foster care is not free. Neither are orphanages.
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Means tested welfare programs are growing at 20% annually and last year cost over $1 trillion dollars.
That's more than either SS or medicare spending. That's more then defense spending.
Obamacare subsidies, which are also means tested, will send that number even higher next year as it's a new means tested program starting 1/1/2014.
More people are enrolling in these programs, not less. Nearly 1/3 of Americans are receiving some form of means tested welfare.
27% of American children are being fed via SNAP and that number is growing as well.
What makes this more ominous is that you have a shrinking federal tax base. 52% of Americans did not have to pay Federal Income tax (didn't have to pay or got it all back in refunds).
There is no viable solution. Over the years we have battled material poverty with these programs.
What we have now is behavioral poverty. You have 2-3 generations of welfare families. Welfare is a given among this group. With only 2 programs out of 83+ having work requirements where is the incentive to do better ? Only 1 program has time limits (TANF).
There is no solution. We didn't battle poverty, we fed the beast and it has grown and is still growing.
Means tested welfare programs are growing at 20% annually and last year cost over $1 trillion dollars.
That's more than either SS or medicare spending. That's more then defense spending.
Obamacare subsidies, which are also means tested, will send that number even higher next year as it's a new means tested program starting 1/1/2014.
More people are enrolling in these programs, not less. Nearly 1/3 of Americans are receiving some form of means tested welfare.
27% of American children are being fed via SNAP and that number is growing as well.
What makes this more ominous is that you have a shrinking federal tax base. 52% of Americans did not have to pay Federal Income tax (didn't have to pay or got it all back in refunds).
There is no viable solution. Over the years we have battled material poverty with these programs.
What we have now is behavioral poverty. You have 2-3 generations of welfare families. Welfare is a given among this group. With only 2 programs out of 83+ having work requirements where is the incentive to do better ? Only 1 program has time limits (TANF).
There is no solution. We didn't battle poverty, we fed the beast and it has grown and is still growing.
This is the sickening reality of it. I guess the question is, how much longer can our economy sustain this and all the other failed programs ? How much longer til the bubble bursts and our country follows what Detroit just did ? Scary times ahead if that happens.
Means tested welfare programs are growing at 20% annually and last year cost over $1 trillion dollars.
That's more than either SS or medicare spending. That's more then defense spending.
Obamacare subsidies, which are also means tested, will send that number even higher next year as it's a new means tested program starting 1/1/2014.
More people are enrolling in these programs, not less. Nearly 1/3 of Americans are receiving some form of means tested welfare.
27% of American children are being fed via SNAP and that number is growing as well.
What makes this more ominous is that you have a shrinking federal tax base. 52% of Americans [with taxable income sources] did not have to pay Federal Income tax (didn't have to pay or got it all back in refunds).
There is no viable solution. Over the years we have battled material poverty with these programs.
What we have now is behavioral poverty. You have 2-3 generations of welfare families. Welfare is a given among this group. With only 2 programs out of 83+ having work requirements where is the incentive to do better ? Only 1 program has time limits (TANF).
There is no solution. We didn't battle poverty, we fed the beast and it has grown and is still growing.
Sadly, all too true.
Math is. There is no debunking of mathematical fact.
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