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So you want to wear diapers, drool all over yourself, and be a burden to your family?
Nice.
I guess that's fine if it's your call. That's the beauty of a free country. You get to choose. Well.......until 0care kicks in.
But, the lady in question, was in the dining room. Sounded like she was just doing her thing, having a meal. I hope my kids don't say, "oh, well, don't blame the nurse." The daughter sounds like she could not be bothered, oh yeah she is a nurse, too.
Lots of great nurses, but these two have either seen too much and are cold when it comes to saving lives. (What is their job?) The woman was a human being, someone could have helped her. Maybe, she had lots of good years left.
The 911 dispatcher sure tried, how she must have felt. Just when you think you have heard everything, along comes sink holes and nurses with a 'tude. Very scary times; guess our communication systems are bringing more to light. You know this stuff has happened before.............thanks to the media, facebook, etc. we can be more aware of what is happening.
Later news reports do not mention the DNR status of the patient.
So, WAS there actually a DNR on file?
We do not know.
It was mentioned once in a news report, that's all we know.
Perhaps it is not mentioned now because it takes away some of the sensationalism.
We can't know that, either.
We were told that if we were out in public and someone collapsed and needed CPR, and noone told us if there was a DNR, then do CPR until the ambulance gets there. More than likely the hospital will know this, or find out, and then the hospital staff will not continue life saving efforts.
If the nurse had performed CPR, broken a rib, punctured the lady's lung, blah blah, she could be charged with murder. Negligent homicide. Involuntary manslaughter. On ad infinitum.
The nurse would have been protected by California's Good Samaritan statute (Health & Safety Code §1799.102).
I come from a family that does all it can to take care of it's elderly. So does my husband. I took care of my grandma and changed hers, wiped her drool, fed her, bathed her and gave her her meds. It was not a burden. My paternal grandma did these things with the help of a home health nurse for my grandpa. Same for my husbands grandma and grandpa. When my paternal grandma fell ill, my dad and my aunt cared for her with the help of hospice, in her own home. She was able to pass away at home in her own bed. I'm glad my family isn't the sort to find others a burden. Those old timers changed my diapers and wiped my drool when I was a baby. Just returning the favor.
As for me, I want to die while I still have an ounce of dignity and something to pass on to my children other than burden.
In general terms, there is no common law duty to 'rescue' another person unless you have a special relationship with that person or you are a first responder and have been called to the incident.
The nurse would have been protected by California's Good Samaritan statute (Health & Safety Code §1799.102).
Quote:
1799.102. (a) No person who in good faith, and not for
compensation, renders emergency medical or nonmedical care at the
scene of an emergency shall be liable for any civil damages resulting
from any act or omission. The scene of an emergency shall not
include emergency departments and other places where medical care is
usually offered. This subdivision applies only to the medical, law
enforcement, and emergency personnel specified in this chapter.
(b) (1) It is the intent of the Legislature to encourage other
individuals to volunteer, without compensation, to assist others in
need during an emergency, while ensuring that those volunteers who
provide care or assistance act responsibly.
I come from a family that does all it can to take care of it's elderly. So does my husband. I took care of my grandma and changed hers, wiped her drool, fed her, bathed her and gave her her meds. It was not a burden. My paternal grandma did these things with the help of a home health nurse for my grandpa. Same for my husbands grandma and grandpa. When my paternal grandma fell ill, my dad and my aunt cared for her with the help of hospice, in her own home. She was able to pass away at home in her own bed. I'm glad my family isn't the sort to find others a burden. Those old timers changed my diapers and wiped my drool when I was a baby. Just returning the favor.
There's certainly nothing special about you. I, too come from that kind of family, and I was also primary (only) caregiver of a dying friend, not even family, just friend, whose family didn't want the hassle. Wiped his butt, fed him, etc.
That doesn't make us special.
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Originally Posted by AnonymouseX
Nurses in facilities are not covered by this...
Sad, isn't it, when people bloviate about Good Samaritan and don't even know what it means.
In general terms, there is no common law duty to 'rescue' another person unless you have a special relationship with that person or you are a first responder and have been called to the incident.
This nurse did not have a "special relationship" with that person as it is the policy of her employer NOT to do CPR. I am sure this policy was spelled out to residents in the lease.
Frankly, I don't blame the institution for this policy. If they commit to doing CPR then they would have to have advanced life support equipment available, maintenance of that equipment, regular recertification of the nurses in CPR and ACLS, liability for failed CPR attempts, etc.......
This nurse did not have a "special relationship" with that person as it is the policy of her employer NOT to do CPR. I am sure this policy was spelled out to residents in the lease.
Frankly, I don't blame the institution for this policy. If they commit to doing CPR then they would have to have advanced life support equipment available, maintenance of that equipment, regular recertification of the nurses in CPR and ACLS, liability for failed CPR attempts, etc.......
You don't need all of that. You will never see ACLS in nursing facilities. DEFINITELY not in Assisted Living.
People forget, there are levels of care.
Residential homes, independent living and assisted living are NOT nursing homes and they definitely are not hospitals. In many cases they are even regulated by different government agencies and rules.
For example, in my state nursing homes are regulated by the Dept of Health whereas residential, independent and assisted living are regulated by the Dept of Social Services. In some they are the same but have different regulations.
They are completely different. Assisted living by definition does not provide the level of care people are screaming about.
People also don't seem to realize that CPR without AED has a sub-10% success rate...
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