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I worked as a reporter for many years investigating "grass roots" political organizations and NGOs. This included attending many of their meetings.
The goal of gay marriage is to eliminate the 501c3 designation for churches, using as a precedent, The Supreme Court decision against Bob Jones University. (look it up)
That is why is must be marriage, but a civil union or other legal concept. The goal was start in CA, so that the case would be heard by the 9th circuit. A gay couple would ask to be married in church, and if they were turned away, they would sue. (See the Supreme Court decision against Bob Jones University.) Prop 8 was a setback for this plan.
I worked as a reporter for many years investigating "grass roots" political organizations and NGOs. This included attending many of their meetings.
The goal of gay marriage is to eliminate the 501c3 designation for churches, using as a precedent, The Supreme Court decision against Bob Jones University. (look it up)
That is why is must be marriage, but a civil union or other legal concept. The goal was start in CA, so that the case would be heard by the 9th circuit. A gay couple would ask to be married in church, and if they were turned away, they would sue. (See the Supreme Court decision against Bob Jones University.) Prop 8 was a setback for this plan.
Wow! You really believe that?!!! I personally know quite a few gay Catholics who seem to love that church even though it publicly humiliates them at every turn. It's not a bad idea what you present, but wouldn't it also backfire by making the taxing of pro-gay orgs legal?
Wow! You really believe that?!!! I personally know quite a few gay Catholics who seem to love that church even though it publicly humiliates them at every turn. It's not a bad idea what you present, but wouldn't it also backfire by making the taxing of pro-gay orgs legal?
I believe there will be some gay activists who will sue the churches that refuse them a marriage ceremony when homosexual unions right to marry becomes a civil right. If it ever does.
That's a bit different since the church's policy could be that you have to be a member of their church (i.e of that faith) to get access to marriage services. In other words, they can legitimately say they're not discriminating against anyone according to race/sex or sexual orientation as outlined.
But the synagogue (at least in Reform sects - which this synagogue is) doesn't require one be Jewish to join the temple... all are welcomed, provided they are respectful and open to Judaic teachings/services. They also allow interfaith couples to JOIN, just not to have their actual weddings performed by the Rabbi. My sister is married to a non-Jew, and they belong to a different synagogue without restrictions on her husband. So while I get your point, that would be inconsistent with the requirements for membership.
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This would be harder to get away with if a homosexual belongs to that church and they try to refuse him or her marriage. It could go something like the baker refusing to make a cake for the homosexuals (despite there being many bakeries that would sell, these cases still get brought up and litigated so expect the same for churches). In other words, I do anticipate this will be challenged and brought to the USSC but I envision it won't be upheld. Almost definitely someone will try. A lot of activist homosexuals are very intolerant towards religion.
A lot of homosexuals (both activist and otherwise) are religious themselves, and many many churches are gay-friendly these days. So why on earth would they even WANT to join a non-friendly church, let alone want their special day to take place in one? I think this is unfounded paranoia, and highly doubt it will ever become a real issue.
I believe there will be some gay activists who will sue the churches that refuse them a marriage ceremony when homosexual unions right to marry becomes a civil right. If it ever does.
They could certainly try, but they wouldn't be successful. In the catholic church for example, they can refuse to marry opposite sex couples for such reasons as "they've already been married once and divorced"- a big scam. My sister married and divorced an abusive husband. Years later when she wished to re-marry, our cousin who worked at the chancery had to put in a good word for her so that she could get married in the church "for a suggested small donation to the church" of course The same thing happened to my other sister's sister-in-law who married a previously divorced husband. What these religious ppl won't do so that they can stay in their church
I don't understand it, but it's important to them.
The church could just as easily say that they don't believe in it and refuse to perform the services, unless they wish to make a big donation
But the synagogue (at least in Reform sects - which this synagogue is) doesn't require one be Jewish to join the temple... all are welcomed, provided they are respectful and open to Judaic teachings/services. They also allow interfaith couples to JOIN, just not to have their actual weddings performed by the Rabbi. My sister is married to a non-Jew, and they belong to a different synagogue without restrictions on her husband. So while I get your point, that would be inconsistent with the requirements for membership.
Some who belong to the Catholic faith don't have the luxury to switch (unless they're fine with belonging to another church of christianity) but more to the point: activists will deliberately do this to challenge the issue as this will be the next step on the civil rights staircase. Ask yourself what would happen to a church these days who refused to do a marriage ceremony for an interracial couple?
But the synagogue (at least in Reform sects - which this synagogue is) doesn't require one be Jewish to join the temple... all are welcomed, provided they are respectful and open to Judaic teachings/services. They also allow interfaith couples to JOIN, just not to have their actual weddings performed by the Rabbi. My sister is married to a non-Jew, and they belong to a different synagogue without restrictions on her husband. So while I get your point, that would be inconsistent with the requirements for membership.
A lot of homosexuals (both activist and otherwise) are religious themselves, and many many churches are gay-friendly these days. So why on earth would they even WANT to join a non-friendly church, let alone want their special day to take place in one? I think this is unfounded paranoia, and highly doubt it will ever become a real issue.
In progressive parts of Calif, you can even find gay friendly churches. The gay people that attend these churches are really not "the protesting type". They merely want a place to pray and worship while not really paying attention to what the evil pope is saying about them.
I worked as a reporter for many years investigating "grass roots" political organizations and NGOs. This included attending many of their meetings.
The goal of gay marriage is to eliminate the 501c3 designation for churches, using as a precedent, The Supreme Court decision against Bob Jones University. (look it up)
That is why is must be marriage, but a civil union or other legal concept. The goal was start in CA, so that the case would be heard by the 9th circuit. A gay couple would ask to be married in church, and if they were turned away, they would sue. (See the Supreme Court decision against Bob Jones University.) Prop 8 was a setback for this plan.
If I were your editor, I would say..."Its a little thin. Make the connection from legal same-sex marriage to elemination of the 501c3 designation. Then I'll see about running the story."
Some who belong to the Catholic faith don't have the luxury to switch (unless they're fine with belonging to another church of christianity) but more to the point: activists will deliberately do this to challenge the issue as this will be the next step on the civil rights staircase. Ask yourself what would happen to a church these days who refused to do a marriage ceremony for an interracial couple?
There was never anything in the Bible concerning mixing of the races in the religions except mormonism. There are actual parts of the Bible that decry same sex activities along with other things. The church could point to this and base their decision on those parts of the Bible alone.
In progressive parts of Calif, you can even find gay friendly churches. The gay people that attend these churches are really not "the protesting type". They merely want a place to pray and worship while not really paying attention to what the evil pope is saying about them.
Yup, and I did actually include that (about gay-friendly churches) in my post.
We have a ton of gay-friendly churches here, in fact I would say the non-welcoming ones are in the minority. I personally know quite a few gay folks who attend them, and as you said, they're merely looking for a place to worship - just like any straight person who joins. The "militant activist" types are pretty rare, even here in the Bay Area!
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The same thing happened to my other sister's sister-in-law who married a previously divorced husband. What these religious ppl won't do so that they can stay in their church
