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Exactly. I'd love to see some of these folks head over to Iran and spout their ideas.
Not only are we being forced to throw it out the window, we are forced to go with it, to look at it, to enjoy it, to approve it, even if our very core thinks it is wrong. Because this has never been about EQUAL rights, it's been about SPECIAL rights. If you don't LOVE the idea of gay marriage, if you don't embrace it and approve it and allow it into your homes, your churches, and schools (where it's been for a while now, let's admit it) and overwhelmingly applaud it and validate the choices of a mere 4% of Americans, then you are a BIGOT. You are labeled a BIGOT and a HATER.
That's the game.
So true. Well, instead of waiting another few years, a decade or longer, lets just go ahead and start the push for polygamy and incest then while we are at it. Seriously. If we are going down this road, then might as well just open it all up now and get it over with. If not now, it will eventually happen anyways.
Procreation can be a part of marriage and it does not have to be a part of it. Its not a prerequisite of marriage. I have listened to the right whine about this and its a non sequitur.
I think when the right whines about this they have lost the argument. If that were the case then if someone was known to not be able to have kids then they could not marry. Holy Crap thats stupid.
Nothing whatsoever. Just more people attempting to shove their beliefs and views down other people's throats because they have nothing better to do with their time.
Justice Kagan asked Cooper a good question today. If marriage is only for the purpose of procreation, then why should we allow two 55-year-olds to marry? He rambled for a few minutes, then trailed off.
The man could still have children via frozen sperm and/or eggs.
The powers that be in ancient times developed the idea of marriage because they knew it was by far the best system to raise children in. It sure beats today's system where most children are products of single moms and babby daddies.
For those of you who think things are so great now and that this is "freedom" let's take away all welfare and see what happens to society.
Yes and during our natural evolution no culture until recently in the West has the notion of two men marrying even been contemplated. Even in societies with permissive attitudes towards homosexuality, marriage was between men & women.
WRONG, same sex unions were common among the Native American tribes. The US government forbid them from performing them, but some have resumed. See you neglect to mention two women, so another person obsessed with two men having sex together. Get over it.
Exactly. I'd love to see some of these folks head over to Iran and spout their ideas.
Not only are we being forced to throw it out the window, we are forced to go with it, to look at it, to enjoy it, to approve it, even if our very core thinks it is wrong. Because this has never been about EQUAL rights, it's been about SPECIAL rights. If you don't LOVE the idea of gay marriage, if you don't embrace it and approve it and allow it into your homes, your churches, and schools (where it's been for a while now, let's admit it) and overwhelmingly applaud it and validate the choices of a mere 4% of Americans, then you are a BIGOT. You are labeled a BIGOT and a HATER.
That's the game.
This is about equal rights, not special rights. It is you straight people that are getting special rights and us gay people being denied those rights while paying for them. It is not a choice to be gay dear, no more than you chose to be straight. If you do not want a gay marriage, don't have one, don't go to one. Live your own life and let us live ours on the same equal basis. You are just like the bigots that were forced to accept interracial marriage, you whine about it affecting you, when it does not.
It's not a requirement. Just a possibility. Marriage serves to protect children that might be born of the union. There is no requirement to have them. Think of it like an insurance policy. You get one before you need it. Being married before children are born, protects any children that are born of the union and some not born of the union as many a married man has found when his wife cheated.
The purpose of marriage is not to have children. The purpose of marriage is to protect any children that MIGHT be born of the union. It is the possibility of children being born of the union that is at issue. Why people think this means marriage requires children is beyond me.
I have insurance on my car because I MIGHT get into an accident but I don't intend to. Marriage is an insurance policy for children that could be born of the union.
BALONEY. Senior citizens get married for the protections and rights, not because they may have children from their union. Sterile people get married for the same reason. Marriage and its rights granted by the federal government is not about the children, it is about the protections and rights for that marriage and its assets. No children are ever required of marriage and most marriages now days do not result in children, yet the federal rights are still granted, all of them. If marriage is about protecting the children, then gay couples who marry and have children should also be getting those rights, but no, they do not get them because they are gay. It is a lie that it is about the children then.
BALONEY. Senior citizens get married for the protections and rights, not because they may have children from their union. Sterile people get married for the same reason. Marriage and its rights granted by the federal government is not about the children, it is about the protections and rights for that marriage and its assets. No children are ever required of marriage and most marriages now days do not result in children, yet the federal rights are still granted, all of them. If marriage is about protecting the children, then gay couples who marry and have children should also be getting those rights, but no, they do not get them because they are gay. It is a lie that it is about the children then.
If senior citizens were the only people who married, there would be no marriage. They aren't. They aren't even the majority getting married. The fact someone who is not going to have kids can marry doesn't change the fact that the purpose of marriage is to protect children born of the union. That's why we need legal marriage.
Yes, some male/female couples will not have children, however there is ZERO RISK of children being born in a male/male or female/female pairing. Pregnancies do not happen when men have sex with men and women have sex with women. They may or may not happen when men and women have sex with each other. Do you not see a difference here? I see a huge one.
Marriage isn't set up for those who won't have kids but for those who will. Because it is men and women who are at risk of having children, they are the ones who marry. This is extended to all men and women who marry even if there is no need to marry simply because it's too difficult to decide who is and who is not at risk of having children. This is not difficult at all with gay unions. The chances are zero.
This is about equal rights, not special rights. It is you straight people that are getting special rights and us gay people being denied those rights while paying for them. It is not a choice to be gay dear, no more than you chose to be straight. If you do not want a gay marriage, don't have one, don't go to one. Live your own life and let us live ours on the same equal basis. You are just like the bigots that were forced to accept interracial marriage, you whine about it affecting you, when it does not.
That is because our unions can produce something yours cannot. Children. If people didn't have kids, there would be no marriage. The fact is, male/female pairings can produce children. They don't always but marriage is best for the kids when they do so males marry females. In the past, marriage also protected women who were, for the most part, incapable of supporting themselves and if you go back far enough, considered first the property of their fathers and then their husbands. Marriage is unique to straight couples because straight couples have issues gay couples do not. Marriages still happen for this reason (those senior citizens you're so up in arms about marrying for example may involve a woman who never worked because tradition held that women should stay home with the kids so she might need supporting.).
Things are chaning. Women are no longer property and we're now allowed to work even after marrying and having kids (but there is still a wage gap between the genders that leaves women less capable of taking care of themselves) and DNA tests can now, conclusively, prove who the father is, however, inside a marriage is still the best place to raise children and mothers are still more financially vulnerable than fathers. It really comes down to how having children impacts us. It impacts women differently than men and the children are the most vulnerable of all.
Marriage, simply, addresses issues that are unique to straight couples. When you have the issue of children being born to your unions and one party being more negatively impacted by their births than the other, come talk to me. THIS is the issue addressed by marriage. Yes there are people who never have children who marry, however, marriage wasn't invented for them. It was invented for the ones who would.
You're claiming something as a prejudice when the condition it addresses just doesn't apply to you. You are not dealing with gender inequalities surrounding parenthood. You don't have a risk of getting your partner pregnant in the first place. Given gay pairings are of same sex individuals, there's no wage gap due to gender either. What issues would gay marriage address? Other than forcing society to bless your lifestyle choices?
I really don't care what you do but I really don't want to hear about it. I don't throw my lifestyle in your face. Please don't throw yours in mine.
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about this they have lost the argument. If that were the case then if someone was known to not be able to have kids then they could not marry. Holy Crap thats stupid.
