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Old 05-19-2010, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Aloha, Oregon
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He was interviewed on by Rachel Maddow this evening. He says he agrees with the Civil Rights Act when it comes to public places but not private ones.

Film at eleven.
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Old 05-19-2010, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Wow, surprise surprise..."It's okay to discriminate against a group I am not a part of".

People who desire it for other people, need to have it done to themselves as well. Otherwise it's just fluff.
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:13 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Well, that is fine with me but those very same companies better NOT ask for any tax breaks or anything else from the government. Come to think of it if a company does not want to hire minorities/gays or whatever may be part of some sort of racist organization anyway. In otherwords I, as a blackman would not submit an application to Klan international or the Skinhead group so my attitude is TRUCKEM and feedem grapes!
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:14 PM
 
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He was interviewed on by Rachel Maddow this evening. He says he agrees with the Civil Rights Act when it comes to public places but not private ones.

Film at eleven.
What a load of crap! I've read his daddy's tortured attempt to rationalize this argument and its a major fail. To try to argue that you are for the Civil Rights Act yet approve of returning to segregated lunch counters is patently absurd.

And Republicans wonder why African Americans want nothing to do with them.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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I havn't read Ron Paul's rationalization for his support of the civil rights act. But it does make sense to require the government(which is supposed to reflect the people of the country) to hire without discrimination. Otherwise you tend to have a government ruled by a single group, that through liberal interpretations of the constitution, could have a stranglehold over the entire populace. Enacting laws that only benefit their exclusive group. Which is very important because the government has absolutely no competition as a balancing force to ensure fairness.

On the other hand, federal anti-discrimination laws just bloat up up the entire private system. And since private companies have competition, and the ability for the public to boycott if there is abuse. They will be forced to reflect the will of the community.

Federal anti-discrimination laws are overreaching, and far beyond the scope of limited government. They needlessly tie up the court systems, which costs taxpayers money. And they force private companies to many times hire unqualified people.

Even if you personally believe there should be anti-discrimination laws for private companies. These laws should be enacted by local jurisdictions, not the federal government.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Not surprising, but disgusting nonetheless.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Not surprising, but disgusting nonetheless.

You don't seem to understand the difference between just agreeing with an idea, and agreeing with an idea and wanting to enforce that idea at gunpoint.

I think most Americans agree with the vision of not discriminating. No one likes to be discriminated against. But is discrimination necessarily a bad thing? Companies discriminate on far more things than just sexual preferences and ethnicity. Some things you can control other things you cannot. Employers discriminate based on your height, your weight, your physical stature, your sex, your age(both against the young and old), your education, your spelling, the way you dress, the way you act.

What you people want to do is arbitrarily pick out certain items that employers should be allowed to discriminate against, but not others. No one cares if employers don't want to hire someone who is very young. Even if that person meets all of the qualifications. There aren't lawsuits being brought up because someone who was young didn't get a job. Why not? Is that not discrimination?

There are many professions dominated by women. Does anyone truly care if a man files discrimination charges against an employer who didn't hire him to become a nurse? Or some other female dominated profession? No one cares.

The truth is, if an employer wants to discriminate based on whatever factors. Let them. If they are discriminating for bad reasons. They are only hurting themselves. If these people being discriminated against were as great as they say, they will have other opportunities. And they would open the minds of anyone too stubborn to accept change.

What you allow yourselves to do is believe that the world is some nefarious place. And the only thing that can protect us all from the evils of the world is more government. You see something unfair and you believe the government should step in and do something about it. Never realizing that the government itself is ran by other humans. And it is corrupt, and power hungry. And the government keeps getting bigger and bigger, and more and more corrupted by all of these special interests who want to force their views of the world on everyone else.

I absolutely love the second half of this video about "rights". You should watch it. I love the part where he says "sounds like human planning, sounds like one group trying to control another group, in other words, business as usual in America".


YouTube - YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS - George Carlin

Anytime the federal government passes a law, its always one group of people trying to contol every other group. The "majority" believe they know whats best for you, and want to force you to conform to their way of thinking.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Here's Rachel's podcast:

Rachel Maddow Show

He keps ducking the question of whether there should be any legal sanction for racial discrimination, and he specifically says that it is an open question whether the government should be able to prohibit private businesses from discriminating on the basis of race.

In other words, he supports legalized discrimination.

Even in Kentucky I suspect this could be a problem for him, and rightly so.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:41 PM
 
Location: NC
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Wow, surprise surprise..."It's okay to discriminate against a group I am not a part of".

People who desire it for other people, need to have it done to themselves as well. Otherwise it's just fluff.

Funny, I didnt see him say that. Could you point that out to me?

His point was that private businesses are just that, PRIVATE. Its up to the consumer.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Funny, I didnt see him say that. Could you point that out to me?

His point was that private businesses are just that, PRIVATE. Its up to the consumer.
Exactly. And when that position was asserted in the United States in the 1960's, 100% of those who were asserting it were white racists asserting the right to discriminate against black people.

That position has been almost universally rejected because it is impossible to have a free society of equal opportunity for all--not equality of outcome, which you conservatives are incessantly whining about--if racial and other types of discrimination are allowed, even by private entities.

Jim Crow, and other racially discriminatory practices, were a way for the South to continue the oppression of black people even after the abolition of slavery. In all parts of the country, racial discrimination prevented black people from having access to all kinds of public and private resources, including employment, housing, and the other avenues of commerce. In the South and in the North, these practices were established and fostered by the power structure to maintain the oppression of black people.

Anyone who pretends that it is merely an abstract question, and not one that has the real effect of perpetuating racial discrimination, is being intentionally dense.

In 2010 nobody is that stupid, not even Rand Paul.
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