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Old 04-12-2013, 12:01 PM
 
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Maybe we should pass a law? I hate to be dismissive with the topic as we have simply had too many examples of law enforcement dropping the ball in cases like this but when laws are not enforced, isn't the answer generally that we need to pass even more laws?

For some reason we never want to hold accountable those who are supposed to be enforcing these laws. It appears that in these cases it resulted in what we see here.

Show me someone holding law enforcement accountable here or we will likely be posting more stories like this.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Kids learn so much garbage in schools. I wonder if they are ever educated about sexual assault and rape, and what to do as a by-stander, like not stand by and do nothing, and not distribute photos, and not bully the victim. Let alone being educated about sexual stereotyping.
Why are you leaving the parents out of this and putting the onus on the teachers/schools? Kids also learn garbage from homs. Are schools responsible for teens that get in any sort of trouble or use drugs? When did teaching teens right from wrong, instilling morals and ethics become part of the curriculum? I learned skills and math, language, history, science and whole host of other subjects in school. As to my morals, ethics, right from wrong teachings, I got from home. Schools have their job to do and parent(s) have their job to do. Where were the parents when the house party was going on? That seems to be the question every time we read about these parties with no adult supervision.

The girl should have been taught the consequences of drinking. The boys should have been taught about respecting girls and the consequences of bad behavior, especially sexual assault. A girl is dead and the boys punishment may include being marked for life as sexual offenders.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:02 PM
 
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Liberalism.
What does that even mean? Explain.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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I loath the politically correct term "sexual assault" RAPE is rape...it is the total destruction of a human being. In war rape has been used not just to destroy an individual but a whole culture and society. In some cases soldiers are specifically instructed to rape as many as they can. Once a woman is raped she can not function fully as a wife or mother...This collapses the building block of society...the family structure becomes defective and the culture dies.


Youth should realize also that the internet is not real life. Unplug the damned thing and stay away from it if you are being harassed or persecuted on line. It is the posting of slanderous material that finishes off the victim.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:05 PM
 
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Why are you leaving the parents out of this and putting the onus on the teachers/schools? Kids also learn garbage from homs. Are schools responsible for teens that get in any sort of trouble or use drugs? When did teaching teens right from wrong, instilling morals and ethics become part of the curriculum? I learned skills and math, language, history, science and whole host of other subjects in school. As to my morals, ethics, right from wrong teachings, I got from home. Schools have their job to do and parent(s) have their job to do. Where were the parents when the house party was going on? That seems to be the question every time we read about these parties with no adult supervision.

The girl should have been taught the consequences of drinking. The boys should have been taught about respecting girls and the consequences of bad behavior, especially sexual assault. A girl is dead and the boys punishment may include being marked for life as sexual offenders.
Your comment first berates the victim, then you talk about sexual assault being "bad behavior."
It's not bad behavior, it's criminal assault. Period. It's a very big deal.
The boys are sexual offenders and deserve to be marked for life.
Holy moley.

And if she was drugged.
How do you teach her about those consequences?
You think all girls should stay at home, go out in burquas with male chaperones?
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:05 PM
 
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The girl should have been taught the consequences of drinking. The boys should have been taught about respecting girls and the consequences of bad behavior, especially sexual assault. A girl is dead and the boys punishment may include being marked for life as sexual offenders.
Are women now only supposed to drink around other women, is that it? No socializing with men? Come on. And those guys are sexual offenders. Too bad, it's their own fault.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:07 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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I was once a teenage boy and if I or any of my friends had been around we'd have beat those guys senseless.

I have a couple teenage boys and they'd do the same.

Go easy on the generalizations please.

P.S. A number of the on-line bullying attacks like in the Ohio case were committed by GIRLS. Not sure about the California or Canada cases....but you might be saddened to see that.

This! I may have been young and dumb once, but I can assure you, we didn't pull s*** like this!
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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The other thing that I must mention is my dislike of the term "bullying" If an adult woman is raped - do they use the term bullying? No! The term bullying trivializes what really is taking place...a young girl is raped and then harassed to death. This phenomena when combined with digital publishing is no different than some crazed Islamic who take a woman and stone her to death---the difference is that in the west the poor woman is digitally stoned to death.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:08 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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You could post your story on his FB page.

That's a great idea!
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Are women now only supposed to drink around other women, is that it? No socializing with men? Come on. And those guys are sexual offenders. Too bad, it's their own fault.
Grow up. We're talking about teenagers - 15, 16 year old girls.
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