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There is no limit to how many times a day you will hear the terms "gender gap" or "glass ceiling". From various news sites, Facebook posts, political speeches, and millions of blogs across the US.
My question is, are these two theories overly exaggerated or are they just misrepresented by all the lack of proof given.
I can't confirm or deny either one exists. I have been looking for proof, but it seems most of it is anecdotal. Can anyone offer empirical evidence for their existence? When I have asked this before, I am usually told to prove they don't.... Can't tell you how annoying it is to have to explain it is not on me to prove a negative.
So, will someone please give me proof of this? The evidence needs to be unbiased, and empirical.
There is no limit to how many times a day you will hear the terms "gender gap" or "glass ceiling". From various news sites, Facebook posts, political speeches, and millions of blogs across the US.
My question is, are these two theories overly exaggerated or are they just misrepresented by all the lack of proof given.
I can't confirm or deny either one exists. I have been looking for proof, but it seems most of it is anecdotal. Can anyone offer empirical evidence for their existence? When I have asked this before, I am usually told to prove they don't.... Can't tell you how annoying it is to have to explain it is not on me to prove a negative.
So, will someone please give me proof of this? The evidence needs to be unbiased, and empirical.
Gender gap in pay does not happen. It violates the laws of economics and cannot exist in a free market. Unless we are to believe women are dumb enough to work for less money. same with blacks. They get paid the same as whites.
I doubt there is much to the glass ceiling. The generation of CEOs today, and the ones before, didn't have a lot of women getting MBAs and stuff. We'll see what happens in 20 years or so when the candidate pool will have more females.
More women now go to college then men. More and more women are entering the business majors. Study after study shows the woman is becoming the bread winner in the household. The workplace will continue to change. Women will be in more positions of power everyday.
But have no fear. Women will continue to play the victim card and get away with it.
Last edited by OhioRules; 04-13-2013 at 08:03 AM..
Overly exaggerated?! I wish. You don't have to look to hard for evidence of the pay gap and glass ceiling.
Because as late as 2011, 97 percent of full-time working women were in jobs that typically paid men more.
Of the 534 professions listed by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, women on average earn more than men in only seven of them.
Female CEOs make on average about 69 % of what their male counterparts earn. Male teachers and male nurses make more than women in these professions.
Eighty per cent of Congress is male. I think only about 15 % of CEOs are female. Take a look at the centers of power in this world, government, corporations, academia, medicine----all are dominated by men at the top.
I was a female engineer for 20+ years. I was treated as "one of the guys" by my peers and direct management. Higher up the chain though it became political and I had to actually be wary of some opportunities in my career so as not to get caught up in it.
Overly exaggerated?! I wish. You don't have to look to hard for evidence of the pay gap and glass ceiling.
Because as late as 2011, 97 percent of full-time working women were in jobs that typically paid men more.
Of the 534 professions listed by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, women on average earn more than men in only seven of them.
Female CEOs make on average about 69 % of what their male counterparts earn. Male teachers and male nurses make more than women in these professions.
Eighty per cent of Congress is male. I think only about 15 % of CEOs are female. Take a long at the centers of power in this world, government, corporations, academia, medicine----all are dominated by men at the top.
Overly exaggerated?! I wish. You don't have to look to hard for evidence of the pay gap and glass ceiling.
You don't have to look hard for biased evidence. There is no such thing as unbiased evidence when it comes to this. You either have groups that favor men or groups that favor women performing the study. Most studies only look at jobs that require degrees, which women have more of, and neglect the jobs the vast majority of people work in. They ignore industries that mostly employ women, as it would show that men who work in such industries make less.
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Because as late as 2011, 97 percent of full-time working women were in jobs that typically paid men more.
So the women who work in fast food as a cook is working in a job that pays men more? And I thought everyone who worked jobs that didn't require degrees were getting the shaft.
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Of the 534 professions listed by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, women on average earn more than men in only seven of them.
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Female CEOs make on average about 69 % of what their male counterparts earn. Male teachers and male nurses make more than women in these professions.
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Eighty per cent of Congress is male. I think only about 15 % of CEOs are female. Take a long at the centers of power in this world, government, corporations, academia, medicine----all are dominated by men at the top.
Dominated by rich men.
It's actually 19%. And the reason it more women aren't elected is because they don't run and the few who do run a poor campaign. I voted for Jill Stein even though she ran a fairly poor campaign. I would love to see more women in public office.
If you look at the graph below pulled from the link your provided, women are more employed than men in the lighter boxes and the red circles indicate where women make more. Remember, the weekly take home is an estimate, which means on average women make more but the actual dollar amount varies. This doesn't show careers that mostly women work in, as men have a hard time getting them. The few that do get them make less.
If only there was as study done on every profession in the US counting all male and female workers, tallied what each gender made on average in each profession, and listed how many men and women worked in each field. No such study exists, nobody wants such a study to exist. Because it would show that both men and women are paid unequally in various fields. It would show that overall men and women are paid little for what they actually do. Such a study would not favor the republican or the democratic party, so no such study would ever be done.
If only there was as study done on every profession in the US counting all male and female workers, tallied what each gender made on average in each profession, and listed how many men and women worked in each field. No such study exists, nobody wants such a study to exist. Because it would show that both men and women are paid unequally in various fields. It would show that overall men and women are paid little for what they actually do. Such a study would not favor the republican or the democratic party, so no such study would ever be done.
Agree. Raises, promotions, etc. are subjective. Sometimes you're in the right place at the right time and get a windfall and other times they pass you right by. Has nothing to do with being a female or male.
If you think the company you work for unfairly pays/treats you because you are a woman, then your best bet is to look for a new job.
"It's not fair" is a whine taking over society and we're letting it happen.
Agree. Raises, promotions, etc. are subjective. Sometimes you're in the right place at the right time and get a windfall and other times they pass you right by. Has nothing to do with being a female or male.
If you think the company you work for unfairly pays/treats you because you are a woman, then your best bet is to look for a new job.
"It's not fair" is a whine taking over society and we're letting it happen.
People want equal opportunity, which they have. But they also want equal results, which isn't logical. Of course you're going to come across the occasional racist or sexist employer, but to claim it's more widespread than it really is does not help anyone. If you feel you were denied employment due to race, gender, or sexual orientation and not skill or experience, report it. But, you have to prove it and that can be difficult.
You are just going on one source. Start doing more research and you will find the truth. I never go by just one source for an opinion. I read many.
Bureau of Labor Statistics? That's pretty well the main source for data on labor and wages.
If you want to post some data of your own to refute it, then go right ahead.
Last edited by ellemint; 04-13-2013 at 11:43 AM..
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