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i dont think that the minutemen or any group would do that. but i think that the government is playing the border problem way way down. i have spoken to people that live on the border. they tell a very different tale than the white house.
It's been that way along time.......there is a money machine that's got a pipeline to Washington and both parties are filling up....at the Leadership level.
By the very definition of the word, the flood of illegal aliens across our southern border is an invasion. If the U.S. government refuses to defend the nation from an invasion, it is up to the people to do so.
I believe piles of dead invaders would act as a great deterrent to those thinking about crossing illegally.
You want to see the justice department go into super investigation mode, shoot an illegal crossing the border. but of course if a drug running illegal shoots a citizen you will be lucky to get Barney Fife to show up.
You want to see the justice department go into super investigation mode, shoot an illegal crossing the border. but of course if a drug running illegal shoots a citizen you will be lucky to get Barney Fife to show up.
bill
Sad, but true. Even if someone living on the border defends their home and family, anx has to kill some illegals to do it, it becomes an international incident, with the Mexican government yowling like a scalded cat, and demanding the homeowner be extradited to Mexico for "justice". The size of their nads is amazing.
The Mexican border is out of control, the cartels operate with impunity, shooting across the border, just for kicks, without fear of return fire. Muling their product up on the backs of border jumpers, and kicking back with Margaritas anx Cubano cigars. All with the blessing of the Mexican government. They are square on the cartels payroll.
I do think, that legalization of pot would make a huge dent in the cartel treasury. There is no sense, to me anyway, in spilling blood over weed. And weed is a large part of the Mexican drug trade. Legalize it, and the cartels are suddenly sitting on growing operations that are worth nothing. Forcing them to lay out cash to try and swap over to Coke, meth, heroine, etc. This will glut the market with these other drugs, and prices will crash, making production and smuggling far less lucrative. Hit them in the cash pipeline, get them wound up, catch tbem with their pants down, scrambling to compensate and start hitting them with specops, and airstrikes, blowing up their production facilities. And dare them to do something about it.
Yeah, a member of a few "militia groups" already reacted like that - or maybe it was to get money for meth - Shawna Forde got capital punishment for the deaths of Brisenia Flores and her father: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders...risenia_Flores
This is an entirely different type of incident. These were rouge criminals, murderers. That they were supposedly members of the Minutemen. should then, reflect on everyone?
My post was not advocating that civilian militia cross the border, anyway. I was talking about hitting the cartels with military assets. As to folks defending themselves, who live along the border, these murders you linked to does not bear on that. I am talking about justified and legal self defense by honest citizens.
I do not agree with unsupervised, uncontrolled, militia, with no clear ROE, deploying, willy nilly, along the border, either. There needs to be an organized chain of command, and accountability. The law must be followed. Personell who are bearing arms need to be vetted, trained and competent. Raving drunks and armchair commandos need not apply. They can have a seperate command structure, but these commanders should report to the Border Patrol, and proper communications with people in the field is paramount.
Those in the field need to have clear orders, and nobody goes out weapons free, as SOP.Interdiction is the mission, not engagement, and this needs to be followed. If self defense becomes required, there had better be a clear, armed threat. These are a few things I would start with, as far as militia deploying on the border. I have nothing against the idea, however, this falls under common defense, and militia is subject to the same operational parameters as the Border Patrol and National Guard. Since I would consider militia to be an in cadre', supplemental, force, in this, it would not be out of line to have a Border Patrol offlicer, or NG, with militia forces. In command. The extra manpower is a good thing, but, they should be under command of the Federal forces that have jurisdiction in the area.
Any militia who can't get on board with that program, and want autonomous operation, can pack up and go home. This will weed out the wannabes that are just spoiling for a fight. They have to act like real soldiers, follow orders, respect the chain of command, recognize and respect the ROE, and, they will be subject to the UCMJ, for misconduct.
This is an entirely different type of incident. These were rouge criminals, murderers. That they were supposedly members of the Minutemen. should then, reflect on everyone?
My post was not advocating that civilian militia cross the border, anyway. I was talking about hitting the cartels with military assets. As to folks defending themselves, who live along the border, these murders you linked to does not bear on that. I am talking about justified and legal self defense by honest citizens.
I do not agree with unsupervised, uncontrolled, militia, with no clear ROE, deploying, willy nilly, along the border, either. There needs to be an organized chain of command, and accountability. The law must be followed. Personell who are bearing arms need to be vetted, trained and competent. Raving drunks and armchair commandos need not apply. They can have a seperate command structure, but these commanders should report to the Border Patrol, and proper communications with people in the field is paramount.
Those in the field need to have clear orders, and nobody goes out weapons free, as SOP.Interdiction is the mission, not engagement, and this needs to be followed. If self defense becomes required, there had better be a clear, armed threat. These are a few things I would start with, as far as militia deploying on the border. I have nothing against the idea, however, this falls under common defense, and militia is subject to the same operational parameters as the Border Patrol and National Guard. Since I would consider militia to be an in cadre', supplemental, force, in this, it would not be out of line to have a Border Patrol offlicer, or NG, with militia forces. In command. The extra manpower is a good thing, but, they should be under command of the Federal forces that have jurisdiction in the area.
Any militia who can't get on board with that program, and want autonomous operation, can pack up and go home. This will weed out the wannabes that are just spoiling for a fight. They have to act like real soldiers, follow orders, respect the chain of command, recognize and respect the ROE, and, they will be subject to the UCMJ, for misconduct.
You're right on about the Minutemen. Those who have a vested interest in protecting illegals from detection flame the entire group for a couple of idiots within their ranks. Those radicals were already outsted from the MM organization before they committed their ugly deeds but that doesn't stop the pro-illegals from holding them up as examples of the entire organization. That incident was about a drug deal gone bad not just some former MM wanting to kill Mexicans (and no I am not condoning what they did at all and they got what they deserved) They conveniently forget how many of the MM provided water and simple medical care to distressed "migrants" also. Doesn't fit their agenda.
This is why the problem will not be solved by either party, The Dems want more voters and the Repubs want cheap labor for there corporate masters.
Our borders should be secure, but its not going to happen with the the current scum we have in office.
bill
THE FAT CATS love cheap labor...and the Cats at the top are all fat. I'm independent I support gun rights, I think a person should not be able to vote if he pays no taxes.
better yet, look at what Portugal did. legalized all drugs, and drug usage and drug crime all went down.
What? And starve the big banks that launder the money? Foolish thought, but right on.
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This is why the problem will not be solved by either party, The Dems want more voters and the Repubs want cheap labor for there corporate masters.
Our borders should be secure, but its not going to happen with the the current scum we have in office.bill
OK, get this folks. One more time. They(both party's) want to allow them so they can give them a number. Can't collect taxes from the under table folks. Yeah both of the scum in DC have their own agenda on this. But numbering them is what .gov really wants.
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I am thinking both parties are rich, at the leadership level.........in fact all organizations are set up to make people at the top rich.........left and right..even Ron Paul made money the last cycle.........
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