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Old 04-20-2013, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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He IS an American citizen and has the same rights as ALL American citizens.

If he were NOT a citizen, I couldn't care less what they do with him.

The constitution giveth and the constitution taketh away.
I agree, but no where in the US Constitution will you find that a US citizen must be read their Miranda rights. That was a decision made by the Supreme Court in Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436 (1966). Every US citizen should already know that they have the right to remain silent under the Fifth Amendment, and the right to an attorney under the Sixth Amendment. If US citizens voluntarily choose to waive those constitutionally protected rights they may suffer grave consequences, hence the reason the court mandated the warning.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Stop and look at what you are now debating...whether or not he deserves to be served information about his rights.

The way to really change thinking is to SLOWLY chip away. A bit here, a bit there, nothing too big to upset the populace. Over time they acquiesce and accept and then it becomes the norm.

This should not even be debated..eminent threat to the public or not.

Again..fear and emotion cloud up LOGIC and REASONING.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:28 AM
 
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I believe that they might have probable cause to want to interrogate him about other people involved. Not to use that info against him but any accomplice. Just my opinion, I am not a lawyer
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:28 AM
 
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I suggest you read up on Miranda Rights before further discussing the topic. You'll find your answer pretty quickly.
I know the answer. You folks just want to toss the old document to the side so you feel safe. Just what the terrorists goal is.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Stop and look at what you are now debating...whether or not he deserves to be served information about his rights.

The way to really change thinking is to SLOWLY chip away. A bit here, a bit there, nothing too big to upset the populace. Over time they acquiesce and accept and then it becomes the norm.

This should not even be debated..eminent threat to the public or not.

Again..fear and emotion cloud up LOGIC and REASONING.
Nothing has been chipped away.

That's been how miranda rights have worked from the start.

That's logic and reasoning.

Fear and emotion is suggesting he's having his constitutional rights being taken away from him.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:29 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I know the answer. You folks just want to toss the old document to the side so you feel safe. Just what the terrorists goal is.
Nope. Not the answer at all. You are not informed on this topic, if you were, even the slightest bit, you'd have the answer to your prior question.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:29 AM
 
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If US citizens voluntarily choose to waive those constitutionally protected rights they may suffer grave consequences, hence the reason the court mandated the warning.
But the court hasnt mandated the warning under all instances, just when they are going to use what they say in court.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:33 AM
 
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Nope. Not the answer at all. You are not informed on this topic, if you were, even the slightest bit, you'd have the answer to your prior question.
LOL. You know more than the supreme court now apparently.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:34 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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LOL. You know more than the supreme court now apparently.
Nope, I know how Miranda Rights work, and I know exactly what they ruled, which is what I have stated in this thread.

You're the one claiming that it's a constitutional right to have them read to you.

It most certainly is not, and never has been.

Once again, I suggest you read up on the topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:37 AM
 
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But the court hasnt mandated the warning under all instances, just when they are going to use what they say in court.
this ^^^^^
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