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Odd strategy for them to employ since a faltering economy is the goose that lays golden political eggs for Democrats.
Democrats are the ones who buy votes with government handouts when people get desperate enough to go on the dole.
We all know FDR had to die in office to lose the Presidency.
This wasn't do to the success of New Deal programs, but rather because government meddling in the economy prolonged what should have been nothing more than a sever recession making proud hard-working Americans desperate and dependent.
You can be certain that is a lesson not lost on today's Democrats.
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Actually, the New Deal was a success. From the moment it started, the economy began recovery. When FDR was inaugurated, real GDP had been cut in nearly in half from 1929 to 1933. That is a stunning devastation to the economy. Unemployment rose to 25% -- not including government workers.
When the New Deal kicked in, the downfall reverse.
To conclude that "government meddling in the economy prolonged what should have been nothing more than a sever recession," is nothing more than revisionist history, the economy grew like crazy during his first four or five years in office -- returning to above pre-depression levels. That's why FDR had four landslide elections.
You also have it backwards, it wasn't the New Deal that made hard-working Americans desperate and dependent. It was the Republican economic policies, of hands-off of business, that caused the depression which made hard-working Americans desperate and dependent. The New Deal liberated these people and grew the middle-class.
The narrative that we hear now, poached by the elite, that government makes people dependent, is really saying that policies that make the average person's life better are bad -- of course, if you are the elite and already have a gifted life.
Pres. Obama wants to take us in the direction of the European model--more collectivism and more centralization. The Tea Party people want to go back in the direction of the original American model--more individualism, and more decentralization. Why make it any more complicated than that? Why the need to constantly obfuscate?
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If you disagree with what a group stands for, it doesn't mean they want death and distruction. It simply means your view differs from the group. Deal with it.
Pres. Obama wants to take us in the direction of the European model--more collectivism and more centralization. The Tea Party people want to go back in the direction of the original American model--more individualism, and more decentralization. Why make it any more complicated than that? Why the need to constantly obfuscate?
Is that why a Tea Party member said, "take your government hands off my Medicare?"
When you and the right-wing say, "European model--more collectivism and more centralization," what does that really mean? European countries, like Germany, have just a federal system. The U.S. has a model of a federal government and state governments. That hasn't changed or been proposed to be changed by Obama nor anyone else. So, what are you really complaining about?
Now, if the Tea Party really wants to have "more individualism, and more decentralization," then I suggest they rip up their Social Security checks, pay for health care out-of-pocket and not via Medicare, don't use meals-on-wheels, don't go to publicly supported senior centers, etc.
The real lunacy from the Tea Baggers is that President Obama is radically changing the nation, which is preposterous. Pres. Obama is a centrist -- a bit to the right of Richard Nixon, who created the EPA and instituted wage and price controls.
While the Tea Party is losing strength as a separate movement, the Tea Party caucus of the GOP is going strong.
After three years of observing these folks, I have determined that they don't want to create jobs, jobs, jobs, ignite the economy, or erase the debt. Their primary goal is to discredit and defame President Obama. They won't do ANYTHING for Americans that might benefit him politically. It is all a bit silly now, as Obama won reelection, so their hatefulness has no strategic purpose. I've never seen anything like it. I suppose the McCarthy era was kind of like this, but that is before my time.
I would not put all Republicans in this camp at all, but the TP caucus is truly a national disgrace. And if republicans want to provide national leadership again, they will have to DO something besides try to screw the other guy and bring our country to its knees in the process.
Fiddlehead, The Tea Party is not needed to do that. Obama discredited himself. But keep hanging on to "hope".
What you are failing to understand is people do not like Obama's policies of tax and spend. They know it will not work. Do you expect people to just bend over and take it because he is Obama. Give it a break, no one will. Not everyone views Obama as some god like savior because he isn't. On a side note, anyone who does not pay taxes and have skin in the game does not have an opinion that reflects those who do.
Why don't you start listing some legislation that they've passed? And for the record--I wouldn't brag about killing a bill that helps to make sure that criminals can't easily buy guns--that's about as ridiculous as it gets. 90% of Americans support it, including 74% of NRA members and 91% of gun owning households. My entire family hunts, and I sure as heck don't get where some of you are coming from with this. The R's might have blocked background checks this time, but this issue has hit critical mass, and it's not going to go away. The teavangelicals just paint themselves as even more nutty and out of touch than people already think they are when they pull stunts like this. 90 percent of Americans want expanded background checks on guns. Why isn’t this a political slam dunk?
How are they supposed to pas legislation with Harry Reid and a Democrat senate? Or with Obama in the oval office? Besides,effective legislating is not just about passing laws and more legislation. Sometimes,the best thing you can do is stop bad legislation.
After three years of observing these folks, I have determined that they don't want to create jobs, jobs, jobs, ignite the economy, or erase the debt. Their primary goal is to discredit and defame President Obama. .
That's a pretty easy goal. Any grade school kid could discredit and defame Obama since there is a wealth of factual material available.
While the Tea Party is losing strength as a separate movement, the Tea Party caucus of the GOP is going strong.
After three years of observing these folks, I have determined that they don't want to create jobs, jobs, jobs, ignite the economy, or erase the debt. Their primary goal is to discredit and defame President Obama. They won't do ANYTHING for Americans that might benefit him politically. It is all a bit silly now, as Obama won reelection, so their hatefulness has no strategic purpose. I've never seen anything like it. I suppose the McCarthy era was kind of like this, but that is before my time.
I would not put all Republicans in this camp at all, but the TP caucus is truly a national disgrace. And if republicans want to provide national leadership again, they will have to DO something besides try to screw the other guy and bring our country to its knees in the process.
Now, if the Tea Party really wants to have "more individualism, and more decentralization," then I suggest they rip up their Social Security checks, pay for health care out-of-pocket and not via Medicare, don't use meals-on-wheels, don't go to publicly supported senior centers, etc.
I would agree to that. As long as we can rip up EBT card and welfare checks. Deal?
Is that why a Tea Party member said, "take your government hands off my Medicare?"
When you and the right-wing say, "European model--more collectivism and more centralization," what does that really mean? European countries, like Germany, have just a federal system. The U.S. has a model of a federal government and state governments. That hasn't changed or been proposed to be changed by Obama nor anyone else. So, what are you really complaining about?
Now, if the Tea Party really wants to have "more individualism, and more decentralization," then I suggest they rip up their Social Security checks, pay for health care out-of-pocket and not via Medicare, don't use meals-on-wheels, don't go to publicly supported senior centers, etc.
The real lunacy from the Tea Baggers is that President Obama is radically changing the nation, which is preposterous. Pres. Obama is a centrist -- a bit to the right of Richard Nixon, who created the EPA and instituted wage and price controls.
yes yes yes, typical lefty who doesnt understand how some people would want limited government, but not anarchy..
While the Tea Party is losing strength as a separate movement, the Tea Party caucus of the GOP is going strong.
After three years of observing these folks, I have determined that they don't want to create jobs, jobs, jobs, ignite the economy, or erase the debt. Their primary goal is to discredit and defame President Obama. They won't do ANYTHING for Americans that might benefit him politically. It is all a bit silly now, as Obama won reelection, so their hatefulness has no strategic purpose. I've never seen anything like it. I suppose the McCarthy era was kind of like this, but that is before my time.
I would not put all Republicans in this camp at all, but the TP caucus is truly a national disgrace. And if republicans want to provide national leadership again, they will have to DO something besides try to screw the other guy and bring our country to its knees in the process.
In all honesty, the Tea Party doesn't have to discredit Obama, he has done that all by himself.
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